Sure and since alliance pugs do just fine in the other two maps against horde pugs we know it’s not that horde are just magically better, leaving the map as the issue.
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Sure, I’ve gotten them done too. My point is they are hardly worth doing because they’re a drop in the bucket and killed so easily. Unless you can coordinate their release with several other elements they don’t do enough.
Back when we could hold the druids I got people together to hold the druids and release them at the same time the riders were released. That worked great, we were able to use that push to actually get Ivus summoned. Of course he immediately bugged out but it was nice seeing him for once.
Did you not read what I posted? The alliance premaders boycotted AV in January because blizz broke their ability to seed premades in AV. Alliance premades couldnt cheese AV and are unable to adapt strategy.
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That’s an exploit. Holding the druids was not intended, which is why it was fixed. Theres other ways to get rep. AND FYI if you win especially during AV weekend you get a crap ton of rep. The longer AV goes on the higher the chance you and take advantage of EVERY objective that rewards rep. You guys complain because you have short queues and cant premade to cheese to win.
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Poor guy has no idea how AV actually works and that’s why he hides behind an Alliance alt.
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Where as you just broadcast your ignorance of how the map works and basic strategy…
I didn’t hold them for rep, as I stated.
That’s called coordination. Sure, some people exploited it for rep but it could also be used for strategy. It’s just too bad that every tool we come up with is deemed to be an exploit. Which is why so few bother with AV any more.
Says the troll. Try again and learn strategy and git gud.
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The only one showing their ignorance is you. You refuse to actually counter my points because you are bad.
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I have countered them all, because they were stupidly easy to do so. Sorry if you can’t read.
However I will counter some of them again for you, because you seem to have trouble with reading.
according to you, alliance have to be able to defend SH+attack IB/SF+have people collecting rams+have people collecting wolf hides
all while the horde just have to attack SH…
If the horde can just contest SH they win the game because then they can hold SHB choke and send people south to clean up any alliance that made it south who will all rez at AS or SP.
Then they can just summon Lok at there leasure and push to win.
Alliance have no strategy that is anywhere close to that fullproof, they have no GY that is anywhere close to as strong of a defense as IBGY.
There is a reason people don’t engage you, its frustrating when you explain things simply to people and they just go on shouting nonsense that you just disproved.
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You never countered my post, read my posts again. It seems you have reading comprehension issues. If alliance are defending SH horde cant capture SHGY. SHGY is essential for alliance to hold for long enough to wear down the horde and send smaller forces to Snowfall. I never see that because alliance are not cohesive like the horde are. You guys have a too many chiefs or none at all problem, so people do whatever they like. I’ve personally had battles where Alliance holds SHGY for 30 min straight sometimes longer. It wears down the horde and leaves other areas open for alliance to take.
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if people can’t refute my argument maybe their argument can’t hold water.
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You claim to have disproved my argument but literally havent said anything addressing them. You only mentioned one thing I said about the ram riders leaving out everything else. It’s plainly obvious to anyone with a brain that you didn’t read what I posted.
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You say the same things over and over… I have countered them before, others have countered them before.
you have said nothing new, everything you have said has been countered.
you have no strategy other than be at least 2x as strong as the horde and take a GY where anyone who dies at it for alliance spawn 2-3 mins away where horde spawn 30s away…
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Just be 2-3x better then the Horde to win.
What a great strategy.
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Sure thing, let me and my ram bros all get on voice to have a chance at winning a battleground. You know what? I’ll give this one to you, it might actually work if people followed through with it. That extra coordination might help offset the map imbalance but so would balancing the map.
The horde talk to each other, not everyone listens but we still use communication.
It’s not the map holding the alliance back.
I’ve seen your communication.
“Let horde win, we got our rep”
“Druids are done, let horde win”
“Who started the druids and just let them die”
It’s why rankers don’t queue for it outside AV weekend.
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I’ve seen the horde communication.
“Oh god no, the rams are coming for us.”
“I have nightmares of the clomp clomp clomp every night.”
“WHEN DID RAMS GET FANGS?!”
“Zug zug”
The alliance does have a defeatist mentality. Plenty of people on the Alliance side have accepted that the map is imbalanced so they don’t queue which leaves just the rep grinders. The alliance used to have communication and attempt to win but you can only lose so much due to an obvious imbalance before you give up.
Isn’t that the entire point of this thread? The alliance has forfeited AV and none of your “master stratagems” will bring them back. Fixing the imbalance would though.
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you say this but actually I did…
then follow it up with this.
Well since you are the one who seems to be unable to read/strategize. I took the time to read through EVERY post you made in this topic.
your “arguments” in this thread boil down to the following.
Alliance git gud/learn to strategize, said ~10 times in this thread
just do objectives(rams/ivus/marshals), said ~6 times
adapt to horde, said ~3 times(never how to adapt, just do it)
map is fine, said ~2 times
control SFGY, said ~2 times
defend SHGY, said ~1 time
use chat, said ~1 time
So first off there are 0 arguments there in ALL of your posts in this thread, just statements, but even still lets go through them.
Alliance git gud - false
*a statement that is ignorant of reality, if it was a gear/skill difference the winrates would be MUCH closer due to random queue of BG horde have just as many if not more alts/levling/scrubs
*many games with stronger alliance losing to weaker horde
*Alliance do just fine in other BGs and in open world and raids
Learn to strategize - Odd from someone who has yet to do so… also false
*Alliance have gone through MANY strategies and have shown them all to be problematic unless alliance have a very significant skill/gear advantage(~3+x greater) or Horde do not use a basic strategy of playing defense.
*Still waiting for any actual strategy from you
map is fine - FALSE
*it has been shown countless times this is not true for a long list of reasons
*IBGY defense, SHGY soft cap loss, SFGY defenders rezzing at AS, Ally cave in wrong direction when SP taken, easy lok summon, near impossible ivus summon, the list goes on…
adapt to horde/use chat - GENIUS
*why did no one think of this, oh ya it does not work because of previous problem.
so now onto the things the somewhat border on the fringe of possibly being considered “strategy”
control SF - Does not work
*requires alliance to split forces or lose SH because of horde winning the game if they take SH
*any Ally that dies at SF when not owned by the alliance will spawn at AS making defending it against any horde assault near impossible due to lack of respawns.
*Horde start the game with a free cap of SF due to starting locations and getting there ~22 seconds faster than alliance.
use objectives - wow such a good idea…
Rams
*not that strong on there own easily wiped out
*requires a significant time investment from multiple people who would not be defending/assaulting
Air assaults
*good luck getting south then escorting them back through the horde lines
*none of them attack IBGY
Ivus
*summons on horde side of the halfway point of the conflict
*summons in the middle of FoS in plain sight and easy reach of IBGY
*bugs out easily
*Hope horde don’t flank SH while summoning
So does that adequately
I suggest you take some advice from a certain player in this thread…
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