IBGY which is an easier GY to hold than SF?
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OK so what will make IBGY different than SF with a 10 spawn?
IBGY is that much harder to hold than SFGY while alliance also have to keep SHGY 
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IBGY is extremely easy to hold with numbers. When half the team herpaderps to SF because some moron yelled out to take it, you canât hold IBGY.
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Hmm⌠what be you talking about?
I donât think we are understanding each other. If alliance cannot take SF with horde spawning 10 at a time from IBGY, why will it be any different at IBGY with horde spawning 10 at a time from FWGY?
Horde donât spawn 10 at a time from FWGY after alliance take IBGY, they spawn 20 at a time from the cave.
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Sigh. This thread is asking for cave spawning to be changed. If this change were to happen, why do alliance think this will change anything since they canât take SF with a 10 spawn from IBGY, but they can take IBGY with a 10 spawn from FWGY or possibly SF?
You donât understand why horde rezzing 20 at the cave vs 10 at FWGY has a major impact?
Myth busted that horde are just better at pvp because they are strategic master minds.
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Ah, i see what you mean. Hereâs the answer:
Horde get to SFGY 22 seconds before alliance does. Its âeasierâ to take SFGY because we get wiped by the horde if we go any further (due to them already being at SFGY and prepared). Its all about distance.
HOWEVER, if we manage to squeeze enough people by the horde and storm IBGY and manage to hold it til it caps, we have actually a decent chance of winning. If we donât, 100% loss.
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That sort of makes sense, but alliance will still have to count on backup from SP. I guess Iâm not understanding why alliance think they can hold a GY, IBGY, that is farther from their backup but canât hold a GY, SFGY, that is closer to their backup.
I donât think you and I speak the same language, but there is no need to be insulting.
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The difference is alliance has to hold SHGY while also taking an offensive GY.
Horde do not have to worry about that, they can lose IBGY or any souther GY and retake it later.
Or just choose to zerg, either way horde decision alliance have no counter to.
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If we stop to hold SHGY, its a 15 minute turtle that we ultimately lose. If too many players stop to defend it, turns into a meaningless turtle. If a few hold it, they get wiped and sent to cave anyway. The only option we really have is to push a SF or IB GY. Its just unfortunate that both are horde favored.
This is ultimately the reason we ended up with the rep farm mentality. After playing so many games and failing every time due to horde map advtange, the only way it felt like a win was to get as much rep/hkâs out of it as possible through turtling.
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Also, the initial battle lines are generally past the SF entrances. Pressure is on for anyone trying to make it to SF. Only a handful of people get there and usually itâs 2 or 3 at a time due to tunnel vision and overeagerness to get there. It would be better to organize but hey, random people in BG instead of premadeâŚ
If you can manage to get a group of 10 alliance to SF and soft cap it then the horde send 15 to it to take it back. This does allow the alliance at SHGY to press forward a bit but the numbers are still pretty even there. Horde take back SF and eventually hard cap it because itâs a bit easier for them to do so where the battle lines lie.
Once SF is hard capped the horde rez 20 at a time, at SF or IB depending on where they die at the battle lines. Now the chance of taking SF becomes much more difficult.
During all of this the horde usually get enough materials together to bring out the shaman and summon their ice lord. It tramples over the defenses at SHGY and the BG is in serious trouble for the alliance.
Sure, it can go different than that but this is a very common scenario.
I completely understand that alliance have to move south and taking a GY is a priority, but my question is asked from the perspective that this change actually happens. It sounds like alliance will still have trouble holding IBGY much like they have trouble holding SF.
IF we manage to soft cap IBGY and start holding it, horde have much further to travel north as compared to ressing at IB and going to SF. It also only has one entrance from the south, instead of 2 like SFGY. Its just a much better point to defend than SFGY and is a better GY at that.
Horde spawning at FWGY 10 at a time vs what happens now would be a big improvement.
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Because you want the map to favor alliance more than it already does because you canât seem to use the map advantages you already have.
You keep saying this and yet you canât seem to come up with reasonable scenarios for this. Strange, thatâŚ
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