Going from losing every time to a lot of the time on the holidays is still a huge step up.
I mean, as you yourself stated and my experience of AV weekends as well is alliance winrate goes up to near 45-50%. But the map criers refuse to even admit the win percentage goes up over 20%⌠When they donât even play the map since maybe February, lol.
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Individual experiences will vary - I saw people claiming they won 15 AVs over the holiday and I saw others say they only won once or twice. I lacked the greater context like how many AVs they played and what times etc but thatâs not something unique to AV - when solo queuing what caliber and composition of the team your on is just random dumb luck or lack of it.
I cant just look at wins and losses though either but the quality of the games overall. I had a long losing streak during the holiday but I didnt feel it like I would off holiday because a lot of those were competitive and went down to the wire - like the game ending with a loss but we were had Drek down to 20% at the time. Thats a lot better than having the game end when your sprinting to Galv from the alliance cave and all you see is orange on the horde side of the map.
Horde have AFK and leaches also.
The whole point of AV weekend is that players with max rep do return and the alliance win rates go up.
Your arguments are weak at best, keep trying though.
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Horde do have afk and leachers as well, but itâs not at the same level alliance have it though and thatâs PART of why alliance lose so much.
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I think you forgot to switch characters to Brokenwind
This is a discussion on the map imbalances not really sure why AFKâs are relevant.
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I feel like after 5 months and nearly 7k posts, you canât really say what the discussion is over. (Itâs true, you have the title on your side)
The whole point of the tread was to bring attention to the problems with the map in hopes that is gets addressed by blizzard.
The thread has been turned into one big he said she said pile of garbage that adds nothing to the issue at hand.
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It doesnât help that just about everyone agrees on what should be changed and there hasnât been jack squat for a response. #sigh. The silence from blues sucks.
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Exactly Fayld, you have been one of the few to acknowledge the issues.
Almost every issue is to do with location of death/ location of re spawn I wouldnât imagine it would be that hard to fix.
I arrived a little after premades were fixed, on my hunter we tried to win every single game.
By the time I went for exalted on my rogue a few months later nobody was trying to win, right before holding the druids became a thing.
I have watched the amount of effort put in deteriorate over time until we arrived at todayâs stance where effort only happens on AV weekend. I join maybe 2-3 AVâs a week on my hunter just to see if anything has improved but it hasnât.
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I am not broken wind, I can reply to an incorrect comment when it was directed at someone else.
Afk/leachers are a problem as they have infested alliance in AV and caused far more losses for alliance than the map ever has
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have you ever played AV in classic as alliance?
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I specifically hunted screenshots of them to prove how many there were, and it got ignored and insults were thrown.
I used invisibility potions, eagle eye, eyes of the beast to go into alliance cave, exc. To get the screenshots. And I did play AV alliance in actual vanilla.
The average full afk / leacher I see on alliance side is 10+ from the 50+ games I did this in to see over the last few months.
And similar posts were made that showed how many horde were AFK in games, yet you refused to acknowledge it. And once again we go back to the he said she said nonsense that detracts from the purpose of this thread.
The question asked was: have you ever played AV in classic as alliance,
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In general horde have less afk/leachers, I looked at both alliance and horde when doing my check.
Alliance usually had about 5 more afk/leachers each game.
Have you ever played AV as alliance in Classic?
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Dont think he has ever played AV in classic with how little he knows about the map.
This whole thread is pointless everyone outside of these handful of idiots knows the map is broken. Blizzard is never gonna do anything to fix it when they have all the data and know its broken.
They have not given a single shred of evidence to counter any of the many detailed posts explaining all the imbalances. Its time to just abandon this thread and let it die you will never convince these irrational people who have no clue what evidence is.
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Again, we have acknowledged the map has some issues, but the map criers try to paint it as the ONLY issue. Itâs not. The map accounts for a -5 to -10% of alliance win rate from that âperfect balanceâ of a 50/50. Putting alliance at worst at a 60% loss rate. That other 38% that leads to the 98% loss rate is not from the map but other factors that you like to ignore.
We all agree the map should be fixed. What we donât agree on is the impact the map has on that alliance loss rate.
Your looking at a single tree and blaming it for the leaves in your yard. Iâm looking at the forest all around your house for why there are leaves in your yard.
I have seen multiple alliance PoV videos of classic AV and noted inconsistent data they try to use as fact.
Example they state the time it takes horde to get to IBGY from the entrance of the cave and compare it to the time it takes them to get to IBGY from SHGY (the even less honest ones compare the time from SPGY). They ignore the run time from cave Rez spot to cave entrance and/or mounting time in their narratives.
And yet even in some of those videos they acknowledge the player problem that the alliance leachers/afkers cause. Yet the map criers canât even admit itâs having any impact in that winrate and somehow blame the map for player behavior impacts.
Again no it does not the map advantages are huge.
There is a reason that AV premades had a 70% winrate once the horde stopped doing a rush strat when both WSG and AB premades have a near 100% against pugs.
But not like reality matters to you that you have made abundantly clear. Its like talking to flat earther you show them the evidence and they just put fingers in their ears and scream like children.
Ita not worth anyones time debating them because they dont understand how debate works. Seriously its common knowledge the map is basically a guaranteed win for horde given even somewhat even teams and basic understanding of the map by the horde team. Anyone who says otherwise is just ignoring reasame as any flat earther.
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