AV Cave Rez situation

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

It is really bizarre that he both claims they are different, yet asks why WSG/AB are different. Really creepy at this point.

[Jadei-grobbulus]

Sorry if the 8 of us who lost before we ever managed to reach FoS didn’t run to the forums to draw attention to map imbalance. We were more concerned with getting a full group.

Map imbalances were always there and until we were forced to deal with them, they were as insignificant as everything the horde cried about in vanilla but not classic.

[Elfblade-mankrik]

Ive won damn near 50% of my AVs over the last two holidays and it would be over 50% if I didnt count games I got into late.

That friday of the last holiday I was 6-2. Then I split 4 games on saturday morning so I was 8-4. Then I lost 7 straight saturday evening and then won both games I played on sunday (completely trouncing the horde too btw) and finished the holiday with 10 wins and 11 losses.

[Elfblade-mankrik]

@Fayld-westfall

Except I am not wrong on this. If map imbalance was a well known thing prior to the rankers leaving, we would have seen post after post about it. We didn’t.

I even went back and looked and couldnt find one. The best I could do was find horde complaints about the drek glitch, thats it. It was all git gud horde yadda yadda.

[Fayld-westfall]

@Jadei-grobbulus

Sorry if the 8 of us who lost before we ever managed to reach FoS didn’t run to the forums to draw attention the map imbalance. We were more concerned with getting a full group.

Map imbalances were always there and until we were forced to deal with them, they were as insignificant as everything the horde cried about in vanilla but not classic

Mmmmkay. If you say so. The map imbalances have always been there. That is definitely true. But let’s bring this full circle. You said the number of talented players you could expect to see in an AV Alliance side was the same or similar to the amount of talented players you could expect to see Horde side in that same game. I am saying you are wrong. I am saying that based on the rankers leaving. I am saying that based on the fact that the Horde rankers didn’t leave. Not a single thing you have said disproves my statement. Nothing.
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The talent level in AV was not the same last January and it got progressively worse for a long time. I don’t know what the talent disparity is now, but I know for a fact that it wasn’t the same back then rendering your point incorrect.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Elfblade-mankrik

Ive won damn near 50% of my AVs over the last two holidays and it would be over 50% if I didnt count games I got into late.

That friday of the last holiday I was 6-2. Then I split 4 games on saturday morning so I was 8-4. Then I lost 7 straight saturday evening and then won both games I played on sunday (completely trouncing the horde too btw) and finished the holiday with 10 wins and 11 losses.

Sure you have, sure you have.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Fayld-westfall

The talent level in AV was not the same last January and it got progressively worse for a long time. I don’t know what the talent disparity is now, but I know for a fact that it wasn’t the same back then rendering your point incorrect.

Yes normally it is because guess what players who like to win don’t like playing on an imbalanced map when the other side is abusing that.

And that it doesn’t normalize to what it is in WSG/AB even on AV weekends when you can’t claim there’s a skill disparity shows it.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

Weird, it’s almost like you do not realize that many of them do not go back because they already have the max AV rep. Weird that you do not realize that AV allows for a lot more AFKing. Weird that you do not realize that not only does AV not have separate brackets, WSG/AB do have them separate from L60s.

[Fayld-westfall]

@Ziryus-doomhammer

Yes normally it is because guess what players who like to win don’t like playing on an imbalanced map when the other side is abusing that.

And that it doesn’t normalize to what it is in WSG/AB even on AV weekends when you can’t claim there’s a skill disparity shows it

This has nothing to do with why the rankers left last January and you know it. There was no “we know about the upcoming map disparity so we are leaving” part of that disparity. It was purely “we can’t roflstomp pugs in AV, so we are going to go to WSG to roflstomp pugs there.” The imbalance in talent showed up immediately. Then it snowballed into a 99% loss rate. It should have never been a 99% loss rate. Had the Alliance rankers stayed, it would have probably been a 60-65% loss rate and THAT deserves to be addressed by Blizzard because THAT also isn’t fair. I would also point out that had the Alliance rankers stayed in AV, your WSG/AB pug to pug comparison would have some merit.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

@Elfblade-mankrik

@Fayld-westfall

Except I am not wrong on this. If map imbalance was a well known thing prior to the rankers leaving, we would have seen post after post about it. We didn’t.

I even went back and looked and couldnt find one. The best I could do was find horde complaints about the drek glitch, thats it. It was all git gud horde yadda yadda.

I found one griping about the alliance base backdoor making a bridge defense impossible. Then the backdoor was sealed and we then were told the bridge was useless.

[Jadei-grobbulus]

@Fayld-westfall

The talent level in AV was not the same last January and it got progressively worse for a long time. I don’t know what the talent disparity is now, but I know for a fact that it wasn’t the same back then rendering your point incorrect.

I don’t know what the talent pool is in AV now either. If it’s not AV weekend, I don’t play AV. I do know what was there when premades left and it was the same players who were there all along. Our change on win rates barely registered. We lost because we had 8 players and then we lost because we couldn’t overcome the map imbalances once we did get a full group. Either way, we were losing a lot more than we won.

It was the same player pool that was already separate from premades. My comment is correct.

Alliance win more on AV weekend because our player pool improves while horde stays pretty much the same and from my experience, there are a lot of trash horde players too. That’s why it’s comical to watch players claim horde are better, but only in AV.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

@Jadei-grobbulus

Alliance win more on AV weekend because our player pool improves

@Jadei-grobbulus

it’s comical to watch players claim horde are better, but only in AV.

Dude. That is some hard core contradiction.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Brokenwind-malganis

@Elfblade-mankrik

@Fayld-westfall

Except I am not wrong on this. If map imbalance was a well known thing prior to the rankers leaving, we would have seen post after post about it. We didn’t.

I even went back and looked and couldnt find one. The best I could do was find horde complaints about the drek glitch, thats it. It was all git gud horde yadda yadda.

I found one griping about the alliance base backdoor making a bridge defense impossible. Then the backdoor was sealed and we then were told the bridge was useless.

You were also told at the time that it was irrelevant because by that point the game was over anyways regardless of the back door.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

Well coming from a player that feels the game is over the moment horde approach SHGY, I’ll continue to chalk it up to excuse making goal post dancing.

And also your lust for the blue dot dopamine rush.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Brokenwind-malganis

Well coming from a player that feels the game is over the moment horde app roach SHGY, I’ll continue to chalk it ip to excuse making goal post dancing.

I’ve always said the game is effectively over once SHGY is capped if alliance don’t have a southern GY and it’s not a zerg. The DB back door doesn’t change that in the slightest.

But maybe you need to try harder and git gud at reading comprehension if you think that’s goal post moving.

[Jadei-grobbulus]

Horde player pool staying the same contradicts what exactly, “dude”? If they are so good they can still win AV more than 50% of the time even against alliance “best” on AV weekend, why aren’t they doing that in the other bgs?

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

@Ziryus-doomhammer

I’ve always said

You have a history of saying many things, more often than not you say things that you then contradict repeatedly. You retreat from your “bUt wHaT aBoUt WsG/aB?” argument, and then like clockwork you circle around to state that those wanting to win are not playing AV.

You argue with yourself in perpetual circles.

You saying things carries no credible weight.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

@Jadei-grobbulus

why aren’t they doing that in the other bgs?

How many times do these need to be listed?

• those bgs have brackets separate from L60
• those bgs have the ability to premade
• those brackets have a more even queue time
• those bgs are completed faster
• rep for those brackets arguably take much longer, while AV rep by a large portion of players was done while it was being races
• those bg teams are much smaller on maps a fraction of the size of AV, where afkers and leechers can more easily get away with it
• HPH

Comparing AV to the other 2 BGs is such a lame argument, due to the above.

[Jadei-grobbulus]

And it’s the same for both factions.

Alliance showing up with their best players on AV weekend can’t overcome what they can in the smaller bgs. Why is that?

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

@Jadei-grobbulus

Alliance showing up with their best players on AV weekend can’t overcome what they can in the smaller bgs. Why is that?

ONCE AGAIN, having “best players” come back during holiday weekend does not completely displace the AFKers, Leaches, etc. The queue disparity is still there, and it has a non-imaginary affect on faction motivation. Not to mention again, those that already got the max rep in AV during the race period have no reason to come back to AV.