Yes it is tactically better. But tactically better doesn’t mean it is strategically the more sound choice. Alliance rarely hold it. What is the tactical value of an objective you can’t hold? Zero. SFGY provides the only reliable means that alliance has to take and hold IBGY in the current meta. If we were playing in a different era or horde used a different approach, we could debate the value of SFGY vs IBGY. In the current meta relics like you who refuse to adapt get in the way convincing other players that the tactical advantage of IBGY outweighs the fact that you are very unlikely to hold it without SFGY. It is an approach that is ill informed and perpetuates a cycle of losing.
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A relic? lol I am pretty sure I’ve been involved in a multitude of alliance strats and they have evolved during the past year from turtle SHGY to rush IBGY to rush SF to rush FWGY and even an occasional rush Galv. I even said SF can be beneficial, but fails more often than not. And that has been my experience.
Your entire premise completely ignores alliance having a higher than normal win rate during AV weekend by shifting horde rez to SF and taking IBGY. I even said that might change by the time I go back next AV weekend. You, however, seem stuck on the notion that SF is always the better choice.
Anyway, pretty sure we’ve said all we can say in regard to this debate.
Sorry I forgot to add in ‘use your headstart to counter any alliance offence before it even hits the feild of strife’ then Zerg SHGY
The real problem is that the alliance dont send one hunter to the horde cave to stall them. That wins games. Also make sure he does a fake trap to fool the 15 orc warriors running straight for him.
I’m not sure what’s your point … What “strat” you want exactly ? Every hordes drink invis pots and appear behind Van ? Makes sense please.
Hordes play scorched earth strat, take objectives and that’s it.
What are you talking about, alliance can take IBGY without SFGY.
And SFGY does not make taking IBGY easier by any real means.
And trying to take SFGY provides a significant tactical risk, we might lose SHGY, for very little gain if we do.
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I have been using invis potions to assassinate healers, does that count?
I farm them for DMT runs while waiting on AV que. But the que is so long I usually have plenty to blow for AV as well.
I’ve also used them to go join the alliance leachers in watching the battle to see how many they have at games, but apparently the map criers don’t want to take those screenshots as evidence. If it wasn’t so expensive I would use petrifaction flasks for lolz.
The que times alone make horde more likely to use consumables because we have the time to farm them between matches.
well, im 5 for 5 on soft capping it. solo, but thats an advantage of playing a rogue. all 5 of those times, no horde stayed until hard cap. so i just took it. these were done shortly after the start of the game.
i was immediately met with hateful tells every time for doing so.
and the most that any time that has come to take it back was 7.
still working on getting a bigger sample size.
edit to add: the queue times are still fast, even with the artificial delay added in back earlier in the year.
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my point is you need no strat, you can zerg to win.
Yet so many of the people like yourself and red come up with ridiculous strats that alliance should adapt to win.
Fix the glaring issues like balancing where the initial contact starts, no more head starts.
Ressing at the aid station when you die at SFGY.
Any person who plays AV for fun just wants a fair chance and we dont have that right now.
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how many times did you get to SF before Horde got there?
my case in point. of course a retail avatar would post that.
none, because i was stealthing to it. alone
You should try to get there before Horde and soft cap, I wonder how many times you will be succesful.
you look like a late comer to the thread. so im going to copypasta this for you. and you and the rest can keep it. its players like you are what is wrong in classic AV
Yep players who want 2+ hour queues for AV 
Because alliance refuses to l2p.
Weird they seem to know how to play in WSG/AB.
Again. Reading. I don’t care if you take it. I care whether you can hold it. Based on your long running argument, alliance are incapable of doing so.
It literally is always the better choice except for games where alliance significantly outclasses horde. At that point you can do just about anything.
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My entire premise doesn’t ignore av weekend. My contention is that alliance would have an even higher win rate av weekend than it currently enjoys if they would actually play the map the way it is designed to be played under these conditions. SFGY is the correct choice.
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no, THEY REFUSE TO PLAY. they know exactly what they were doing.
and your go to response is funny to me. because most times ive met them in the premade and they didnt take us on the initial push…they concede the games. hurts the hph.
and you still lose on a pug vs pug level.
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Well the entire quote.
Still waiting for your explanation why alliance don’t suck in WSG/AB.
grats you killed 4 npc’s and soft capped an undefended GY that horde took back form you everytime.
Then you try insulting anyone who asks about it by quoting some nonsense from ealrier in this thread.
Why dont you try to do something that the alliance are complaining about?
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they do. keep patting yourselves on the back because you stomped a pug in a premade.
Ok well alliance needs no strat either then, she can zerg too if she has the better stack. I never said I’m not alliance by the way, you’re just assuming it. Like the facts imbalances are such massive.
I guess it’ easier to say “ridiculous” to convince yourself and avoid explanations.
Sure, fix them while it won’t change much. And fix horde base that is like a swiss cheese, give horde a bridge no one can by pass and a base full of npcs agrowing from everywhere. I can go on.
Sure fix it and what will that change in facts ? Alliance will be mid field instead of being behind bal. What prevents alliance to meet behind bal and push back horde to IBGY like horde does with alliance at SHGY ? Mostly better players that are premading wsg/ab and more players with a rep per hour mentality.