Right because the zerg meta was played far more often so there was no real issue.
Just like there wasn’t an issue with this version when it was primarily played as a zerg.
When horde queues hit 30 minutes they started turning away your best premades.
At 2 and half hours plus alliance pugs dont stand a chance most days. At least the holiday has been a real boon when it comes around. 20 AVs open at various points during peak. AV is fine.
Do I need to requote your posts where you insisted the zerg did not become a thing until and because of reinforcements in tbc? And yet during this patch in vanilla (which you claimed was really not zerged), there was no ridiculous loss rate for alliance, and in fact alliance were winning more than horde?
In before “sCoRcHeD eArF” ( which you were advising horde do if we were afraid of 1.12 being a zerg fest)
So what you’re saying is they should leave the bonus honor on all the time so the higher loss rate is easier for alliance to deal with and more of them are willing to queue.
Yeah… that’s not the sign of a broken map.
Its all right in front of your face. The holiday rolls around, horde queues drop from 2:45 to 50-55min (I was even coerced to do a couple of AVs horde side with those times), you got 18-20 AVs (instead of 4) going and the odds of the alliance winning goes up exponentially.
More horde and alliance are coerced to queue for different reasons and instead of the horde die/try hards going after the soft underbelly of the alliance you got more horde stiffs in the mix to go with more driven alliance personnel. AV becomes more in line with the other BGs. The win rate evens out because of what the holiday does to horde queues.
Im still under .500 overall on the holidays but over the last 4 holidays as alliance Ive won 44% of my games. Thats a more accurate representation of what would be if we were playing under more normal conditions instead of a meta that says screw AV.
Yes the win rate goes up some, it doesn’t get to where it does in the other BG’s. And the only reason people are there is the bonus honor. So sure when you can get a ~25% win rate(being generous) with bonus honor a lot of the alliance who are doing much better in WSG/AB will queue for it.
Those same alliance instantly leave after AV weekend because that low of a win rate is simply not worth it without the bonus honor.
AV weekend is tremendously popular.
I’m stealing this from anther thread because it fits in here nicely. if 6.6k posts in a thread is largely ignored, i’d imagine blizzard doesn’t care about AV in classic.
and with all the toxic elements running rampant right now in the game, i doubt they care about classic period.
“player name”, you are arguing with brainlets on the wow forums. Don’t bother. Trying to argue all the different strategies in Alterac Valley that each faction can use to a “one-track mind” player is a waste of time. If you can’t see how taking snowfall gy is a benefit to alliance on the 1.12 version of AV you are an npc.
Alot of alliance are still used to the retail AV strat from TBC to BFA where you just zerged. Having to adjust to anything that’s not zerging is just too hard for simpletons.
AV cave is not broken. People just need to accept this is the version of 1.12 AV. AV has so many versions because its been changed numerous times. AV has never been perfectly balanced and never will because WoW is not a PVP game.PS. I AND MANY OTHERS WANTED 1.5 AV.
credit to Justen of bloodsail
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All the strategies that “each” faction can use.
Zerg SH is “All” the strategies horde use.
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pretty much. as stated earlier in the thread, SF is nearly gifted to us every time.
I am sure the few alliance that participate in AV anymore are aware of this, at least the ones who are not bots or AFK.
Not really. Horde adapts a lot but mostly goes at SHGY because alliance waits there and i’ts the next big objective. Other horde strats we see a lot in AV :
If alliance try to zerg, horde intercepts;
If alliance try to grab SFGY, horde will try to get back SFGY;
If alliance turtle SHGY too much, horde will try to ninja SPGY; etc.
Yeah, I’m not sure what alliance posters like him think is the alternate strategy for horde, when they a) have to get north with SH on the way, and b) alliance deathballing there repeatedly.
I mean, are they seeing an alternate strategy that horde could attempt?
As stated over and over - not to mention demonstrated each time Alliance bother with SF - that gy is not only useless for Alliance but a hinderance.
Sure it is bud, sure it is.
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So far, a list of useless things for alliance in AV:
- Snowfall GY
- Bridge
- Alliance cave
- Frostwolf GY
- Treesus spawn location (adjacent to
alliance tower archers) - First fight in alliance territory with NPC support
Did I miss anything?
oh
- soft capping southern objectives
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It’s why I copypasta’d that over here. He’s right, there is no other way with them.
I finally hit 60 on my alliance rogue. I still stand in my original position. It’s the players, not the map. There are even coordinated efforts in chat to throw the game.
Edit: yes I waited till 60 so I wasn’t just fodder.
Great! Now go rush SF and let us know how that works out for ya’.
The only reason you need to take SF is because the horde wants it. If you want to go a little deeper they plan to use it to thwart you and amazingly enough if the alliance have SF they can use it offensively and defensively as well.
If you want to think on it some more you’ll realize that giving the horde a central GY on purpose when you plan to move the brunt of your forces away from there with no supporting GY (shgy is a goner) is a dumb strat given that the horde are just gonna turn around and wipe you like any real team would do.
Cubby works every once in a blue moon in the same way you randomly get a 5 cap in an all pug AB. Its the law of averages, not because cubby is a good strat. It isnt.
Not really eventually you still have to deal with the cave rez, and in fact having people rezzing at SFGY instead of SHGY makes it easier for horde to take SHGY.