Sure.
Not being able to hit any of NPC mobs, including the last boss isn’t being a leechers.
Having to have the 60s kill those mobs while you stand there missing and getting resisted isn’t leeching apparently.
Ok bud… suuuuureeeeeee.
What’s funny is if I was still ally with these AV game reports you would 100% be saying that’s why we lose because we have 25%+ of our team as leechers.
You can’t say anything now tho, since it’s on the horde and it ruins your whole narrative.
Alliance aren’t low ranking they are basically the same as horde
Horde have just as many low levels and leechers.
The fact of it all is, it’s clearly the map that massively favors horde.
You played on your shaman right?
Were you trying to dps or heal?
Can you heal a target without missing?
Can you loot a body to do turn ins if you were dpsing?
Let’s say your a lvl 55 dps rogue with improved stealth talented. Can you sneak past the battle to cap with 1 other player?
Can a level 51 hunter drop a frost trap and still slow every enemy that runs through it?
Lower level players who are still contributing are not leachers. Yes they would contribute more as a lvl 60, but if they are at least trying to contribute instead of full on leaching they are better than a leacher on your team.
A lvl 60 leacher does nothing. At the very least a lvl 51 trying to do something soaks some damage from the enemy team before he dies.
Heck a level 51 warlock spamming curse of weakness/elements/fear/exc until it hits his target and switching to another target does more than a leacher.
Level 51-59 contribute less than a 60 on average IF the 60 isn’t a leacher. Then the low level contributes more than the leacher because a leacher is sitting in the back soaking honor/rep and doing nothing else, other than possibly watching YouTube or something.
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I have a massive feeling you wouldn’t be preaching this if I was alliance. You would be preaching the opposite like you have been.
Leacher=|= low level.
Yes being a low level isn’t as helpful to your team as if you were 60, but it’s better than an afk/leacher because they contribute nothing while a low level at the very least soaks damage.
And no I wouldn’t be preaching something else, having that many low levels still doesn’t help the horde, but then you didn’t count the low levels/afk/leachers of the alliance did you? I normally saw about 5 low level horde in my AVs (usually 55+) 2-3 afk/leachers, and that means with counting low levels, afk, and leachers horde were usually under 10. While alliance were usually 10+ from what I could find (and most of them were leachers or full afk). I looked at both sides and on average alliance had more afk/leacher/lower levels. Yes the horde have then as well. But the averages that I saw was alliance with more of an issue from it. This is at part because of the que times as after waiting 2+ hours horde are more likely to maximize their rep/honor from the game as alliance have better farm with quick losses for repPH on average.
But you will continue to believe I am bias instead of the logic behind it…
You forgot one important point.
Av is a battleground for levels 51 to 60 so being lower than 60 is not wrong in any way. It is meant for that. If you don’t agree with that, might as well call any non T2.5 person a leecher. Lowbies are not leechers though they will contribute less to a certain extent.
Also don’t forget lowbies won’t get banned. Leechers or afk people will.
It’s almost impossible to count the other factions low levels and afk, which is why your SS proved nothing.
You can’t just say low hks is afk. You need the context behind it.
Every game so far the horde have 25%+ people who are leeching. That’s just in my small sample of 8 games.
I can’t count the low levels on alliance, my addon says the average rank of each faction and will show my win loss record.
I’m sure when I get home I can find a quote of you saying low levels are leechers and that’s part of why alliance lose, you’re just dancing now.
Love how you are all changing your tune now.
Level 51 to 54’s are next to useless. Still better than anyone who is straight up AFK but theyre not much help outside of a zerg.
Well before saying that you should find a post where I say lowbies are leechers. And I’m pretty sure I never said such a thing cause lowbies are not leechers. They are 2 different things. Of course lowbies will be less efficient and you can’t win a game with only lowbies but it’s two different concepts. Putting lowbies with leechers just doesn’t make sense to me.
As for leechers, yes it’s hard to find them. First you have to take time to find them. Second you have to discover them. You are really doing that in your games ?
Usually afkers are alone at random zone on the map. I call them in chat and if they don’t answer I invite people to report them.
Leechers are more difficult to discover. You have to pay attention a lot. The easiest are rogues/druids stealthed close to the main group and not moving or doing anything. You also have people behind the frontline not doing anything (usually warriors). One of my trick when I feel the game is not going fast enough is I check the stats. If you see any class that can’t heal with zero or low killing blows/deaths and with a 200 hks, pretty sure it’s a leecher. Then I target him and see if he’s doing anything. Of course it takes time and I’m almost as useless as a leecher while doing that.
Sorry if you’re scouring the map for afk alliance then you’re also leeching.
There is no concrete way to say how many actual afk or how many leechers alliance have unless you have access to their map.
You can say how many horde are doing it along with how many low levels, you can look at the map.
Heck my last game there was 3 people killing mobs in the mines.
2 people were south by RH while alliance was stuck up north,why were they there all game?
Then you had 7 low levels including me.
This narrative of alliance have more is BS.
Well I don’t agree at all with your definition of leechers. Lowbies are not leechers. Trying to find leechers is not leeching lol. People in the cave are not leechers if they are doing their trinket quest, it’s part of the game and an advantage in the long run.
People can be south for many reason like turn ins, camping towers to prevent alliance to cap them, etc. These people are not leechers. Besides, they don’t get any hks so not really leeching either.
They are leaching a win.
Sure if you’re doing your quest fine but if you’re in the cave all game that’s leeching.
And those people who were South where they’re all game.
I am with Reapers here. If you are in the BG and you are lower than level 58 (and even that is questionable), you are leeching. I don’t care how many heals you throw. You would have to be the most godly player on the f’n planet for me to change that opinion too. For the most part though, the low levels aren’t giving much assistance to anyone 
That’s why I had more than just a screenshot of the end of game matches?
I ran up to and stood with the alliance leachers on my horde toon. And they /waved at me instead of killing me.
I got screenshots of them sitting around doing nothing at the edge of the battle (when the battle was at SHGY they were on the hill above IWB) and when the battle moved from there they were gone. And the end of the game screen shows them with a lot of honor but basically no honor kills.
Half of my post randomly disappeared, don’t have time to fix it now.
He’s going to back up his spurious claims about what he insists we posted… as soon as he has time to.
Yea even on my shaman.
Sure I can heal, 600 throw 7 heals out be oom, get 2 shot by a geared 60, aggro all of Ram Team 7, while they cram me all the way to spgy.
Get dazed, aggro some of the pathing guards by the choke, run to spgy while ram Team 7 Is showing me no mercy while guards chase me and a 60 has to save me, because I can hit the Rams but not the level 60 guards.
Ram Team 7 gave me nightmares last night!!
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Both factions can be the same across the board and still produce very disparate results in AV.
Some of us work for a living.
I don’t have time to scour thru posts for 30 minutes.
Not me. I would watch Ram Team 7 kill you and laugh at your misfortune lol.
I stealthed into the alliance base and capped towers from L51 onward. All players in AV can contribute, just as all players in AV can AFK and leech.