Idk i cant count the alliance lowbies.
But according to my addon the average rank of both factions is usually pretty close so id say its even.
Ok but ranks doesnât mean that much for assessing levels, if thatâs what you were suggesting
You arent wrong you could be a 59 twink.
All i can say is we seem to have an average of 7 lower levels a game, typically speaking it seems on horde side there is atleast 25% leechers.
Well as I said above, I donât think we can consider lowbies as leechers. They can loot, turn ins, heal, get ram/wolves. They can be pretty useful actuallly.
For me a leecher is someone doing basically nothing and just farming hks around the big melee. Or an afk doing nothing at some place in the map.
90m que.
7 AV games active, gonna be a bit for game 7 lol.
Well lowbies cant hit most of the NPCâs, which does hurt.
Lowbies also get one shot the insta a 60 looks at them. That makes leechs
They are less of a leech than standing at the edge of the battle doing nothing but soaking honor/rep.
When alliance are defending SHGY there is usually a good number of alliance on the hill above IWB just close enough to get rep/honor
Game 7 started.
Average rank of alliance is 7, average rank of horde is 6.
This is an all time high, there are 11 players less than lvl 60 on horde including me.
Just started tho so i will update this post.
This was much harder to take SHGY.
You could tell the Alliance were better, they pushed us all the way back to sfgy a few times.
Issue was they tried to split up and go ibgy, thats why they lost shgy at 21m into the game.
They all died shortly after, now with no graveyard the games basically over.
28m in we summoned Lok, or as the horde call him âDadâ.
45m in âDadâ finally got us to soft cap SPGY.
65m into the game Horde wins again.
We had Lok and Bat riders.
The more i play as horde the more clear the map advantage is, Alliance are trapped playing defense in fear of losing SHGY.
Shgy is a weakness for Alliance that wont go away, you need to keep it, period. Once lost the games over, no way they can push back.
Horde having the whole map once shgy is soft cap means they summon everything, the disparity is easily seen in these games.
7-0.
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I need to admit Iâm surprised. But the more I think about it, the more I donât think the overall ranks matter that much. The fact you have more sergeants vs. first sergeants doesnât mean much. The real difference is when you have high ranks 11,12,13. So basically quality vs. quantity. I did an AV yesterday and alliance had 2 helmets vs horde 5. Horde stomped rolled in 30 minutes.
Itâs weird to read that since you have a 60 troll priest. Are you sure you played AV with that priest ?
How ? Because alliance loses ? Losing doesnât prove itâs because of map imbalances. If alliance decides to only defend SHGY itâs their choice. Hence in your example they tried to go for IBGY but they failed. If alliance stack is better they can push back horde. The only advantage horde has on that subject is a one time quality of life advantage at start: they are a little ahead in field of strife than alliance. Alliance could meet horde behind bal and push horde back. They donât do it cause horde is usually the better stack
This is a mirror effect. It would be the same situation with IBGY. If alliance hard cap it itâs near impossible for horde to recap it and the game is over. Besides, Iâve seen many games where alliance hard cap IBGY and loses SHGY. Alliance doesnât have to keep SHGY at all cost.
Again nothing surprising here : itâs a mirror effect. In the same reverse situation (alliance hard capping IBGY and not leaving anything to horde) they can summon Ivus and wing commanders.
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Youâre right because ranks are not indicative of player skill at all, only how much time they invested, bought standings or were carried by a premade. I estimate about 75% of people who ranked wonât be able to reach 2200 rating in TBC.
I won 2 and lost 9 during AV weekend. A couple of those losses were close, but most were the usual blowout.
One of our wins looked like a sure loss. Horde offense skipped SHGY and took SFGY. I recalled to recap bunkers, got owned a few times while horde burned north bunker and took AS. By then more alliance had came back to DB and after a long battle, we recapped AS, wiped horde and sent them back to SHGY, which they took after alliance moved south. Our defense in our keep stalled long enough for our offense to pull out a win. It was one of my favorite games.
Now that AV weekend is over, I wonât go back until the next one.
Well you all always brought up how horde was always better geared and high ranking.
I think I have disproved that
Who are you counting as âallâ?
Mostly just you and red
Feel free to cite me making that claim.
Maybe when I get off work.
I got to make these deliveries
Oh boy, we are now over 5176 posts on alliance complaining about not being able to rush drek in 7 minutes.
Congrats guys. Maybe in TBC youâll win a game when they move the cave. Perhaps that is the key to stopping level 51 pugs from queuing and the rest of your team AFKâing after 5 minutes because anything longer is cutting into your rep/hour.
The single main reason why alliance lose is because the 1.5-2 hour queue on horde acts like a gate keeper preventing lower levels from queuing at all, and AFK leechers from gaining any decent amount of honor vs AB. The alliance 5 minute queue favors AFK rep farming and non-contributors allowing for easy rep for these non-players and free wins for horde.
Its not the map, its the players. Horde needs to squeeze the most honor / rep per game as possible while alliance just want the game to end as soon as possible regardless of outcome. The map differences just reinforces that player mentality â not causing them.
This is 100% wrong.
I posted all my games and how many low levels there were and thereâs at least 25% leachers
I was referring to a few months ago when I mentioned it most rankers have finished for those ranking at this point. Also at this point peopleâs ranks are not very reliable for skill level due to;
- Itâs based on time put in, not actual skill
- Most people in AV now are alts, which is also effecting the average amount of level 51-59 on the teams which has changed a good bit since a few months ago. On top of it lowering the pvp rank of participants from both sides, so looking at PvP ranks is even less reliable for relevant information now than before.
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Low level isnât the same as leachers in AV.
Leachers is referring to people who stand just at the edge of the battle to get the honor/rep without doing anything (not even looting bodies).
Being 51-59 isnât being a leacher if your still participating toward the win conditions.
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