AV Cave Rez situation

[Reapers-faerlina]

I dont think que time has anything to do with how it effects people from trying.

I think that if Alliance wouldnt auto lose when SHGY is gone they would actually still try like horde does when IBGY is soft capped.

I dont think you understand how the game is literally over when SHGY is soft capped.

There is nothing that can be done.

Even if horde cant push into spgy they have the full map to summon Lok and get bat riders online.

The same cant be said when horde lose IBGY, they can just go retake it as they still spawn close to it.

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

People meta game classic.

If you can get 400 rep e every half hour as a loss in AV you can get 1600 rep in two hours. How much rep does a win give? Now if the chance of winning is 50/50 (or even 40/60 because if map) but you know it will take you 2 hours on average for that chance to win. Which method is better for rep farming?

That’s one of the reasons que times vs game duration matters.

I’m not saying everyone has this mindset, but it’s enough players that have this mindset that because of alliance short que times, it hurts their win rate. Because you have players that want to lose because it’s faster rep farm.

It’s a factor, the map isn’t the only thing lowering that win rate for alliance.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Redheadchild-kul-tiras

It’s a factor, the map isn’t the only thing lowering that win rate for alliance.

The map is however something objective that can be fixed.

[Reapers-faerlina]

Fix the map you fix the mindset.

[Redheadchild-kul-tiras (Redheadchild)]

I’ve been for fixing the map, I just don’t agree that it’s the only factor.

[Elfblade-mankrik]

@Reapers-faerlina

it seemed like horde just wanted to negate the turtle by going north.

The horde AV I did yesterday they were talking about the cubby strat the alliance have been using. And yeah, the plan is to split the alliance by going north and pulling them off of SHGY and if not, no big deal.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

@Ziryus-doomhammer

@Reapers-faerlina

The average rank of BOTH sides was rank 6 in that last game. Meaning they have just as many lower levels as we do.

Make no mistake tho, horde have many leechers and afk players, which is what we were NOT lead to believe.

But that doesn’t fit with the *narrative that the map is perfect and the alliance loss rate is entirely because alliance suck in AV.

_{- a narrative no one has actually put forth}

[Fayld-westfall]

LOL! It is coming full circle. Like I said earlier, this is what we did very early on when we pushed back their initial attempts at racing. Difference is that we didn’t try to hold them all in SHGY either. It is always interesting seeing how strats evolve even if this map is hot garbage atm.

[Jeromagnus-darkspear]

Yeah, when you’re winning, you usually don’t need to do this. But if the game goes on, people start checking and reporting. At least it’s how I do it personally.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

@Reapers-faerlina

I dont think que time has anything to do with how it effects people from trying.

This is one of the fundamental flaws in your point of view, despite it being evidenced in vanilla with horde, and now with alliance in classic.

[Reapers-faerlina]

Alliance pugs in all other bgs are 50/50.

Alliance ques for all other bgs are instant.

Horde ques are not instant for the other bgs which with your logic means they should win since they have longer ques.

[Fayld-westfall]

@Reapers-faerlina

Horde ques are not instant for the other bgs which with your logic means they should win since they have longer ques.

They are like 8-10 minutes. 8-10 minutes <> 1-2 hours. That’s a pretty massive difference.

[Reapers-faerlina]

Alliance AV ques in vnailla were not 2 hours tho.

They were a few minutes.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

@Reapers-faerlina

Horde ques are not instant for the other bgs which with your logic means they should win since they have longer ques.

Apples oranges, both in BG types as well as a gross comparison with horde AV queues and the other 2 BG queue times. How disingenuous can you be?

[Reapers-faerlina]

Says the guuy comparing vanilla to classic.

Talk about apples to oranges.

And im the one being disinegeuous?

[Fayld-westfall]

This was very much dependent upon the server you were on. On my server in Vanilla, Horde were instant and I think Alliance were at least 30 minutes.

[Reapers-faerlina]

Not on my server, i was on Dark Iron and it was kind of 50/50 with faction balance.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

@Reapers-faerlina

Says the guuy comparing vanilla to classic.

Heaven forbid classic be compared with the game that mirrors it!

@Reapers-faerlina

Not on my server, i was on Dark Iron and it was kind of 50/50 with faction balance.

1.12 AV was not server specific.

[Fayld-westfall]

Right. That’s what I mean though. Most servers weren’t anywhere close to 50/50. Gilneas was close to 70/30.

[Jeromagnus-darkspear]

@Reapers-faerlina

I dont think you understand how the game is literally over when SHGY is soft capped.

There is nothing that can be done.

Even if horde cant push into spgy they have the full map to summon Lok and get bat riders online.

Sure but it’s the same when alliance hard cap IBGY. Almost impossible to retake it from alliance. Alliance can summon Ivus and their wing commanders. This is a mirror effect.