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Do you really imagine that insulting blizzard is going to make them motivated to help you out?
Then by all means show screen shots of AV weekend with alliance over 30 games played and a 40% win rate.
Donât just âsayâ you have proof, show it.
There wonât be.
Just because someone queues AV and wins 2 in a row out of 3 games played doesnât mean the average is 66%. AV weekend translates into about a 9% win rate increase going from 1-10%. Even with dedicated players wanting to win for honor it still rarely happens.
Their grasp of statistics is as bad as their grasp of strats in AV. Keep in mind your dealing with people who think alliance can win by turtling in DB indefinitely while rams win the game for them.
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Correct me if Iâm wrong, but havenât you claimed to not have stepped foot in AV since before premade exploits went away?
Do you have proof of anything whatsoever that has happened since then?
While horde players are being pressed for âproofâ, you may need to provide it for your claims of a 9% win rate on AV weekends.
Otherwise both you and arena hero shrinkydink are just providing feels.
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This
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/who-wins-av-more/385640
is what is being suggested we return to, so that alliance will want to play again.
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âHey so I did neutral to exalted last month. I started at level 51 and was 0-41 before I got my first win, which was during AV weekend. I got 4 wins total the first AV weekend, then decided no more AV unless it was the Bg weekend. Finished my last 12k rep the following AV weekend, and got 6 more wins that weekend. Ended up 11-56. Outside of AV weekend 1-56
As someone who has 60s and âmainsâ on both factions, AV is ABSOLUTELY favored for the horde because of the choke point created by IWB, however that is not what causes most losses. Because AV queues for ally are like 3-10 minutes, People donât feel any skin in the game like a horde player waiting 90 minutes to get in. Iâd say the average comp of an Alliance AV is , 6 afk stealthers with 6-10 afk non stealthers, 4-5 R12+ afks, 10-15 level 60s that are kinda trying, and 5-8 people who are REALLY trying (usually these arenât even 60s tbh)â
This is one of the replies I got when asking for specific data on AV in the discord I was talking about. And most others tell a similar story.
As I said before my opinion is not based solely on just a few players opinions, but on many.
For clarification thatâs 10 of his wins were from AV weekend, and one win outside of AV weekend. His first 41 losses were outside of AV weekend and that means he went for 15 more games after his first AV weekend win with 1 win outside of AV weekend. That means his winrate for AV weekend was 10 out of 14 games (56 total- 41, -1 from the non AV weekend win=14 games during AV weekend based on what he said)
So⌠That was a 70%ish winrate he saw on AV weekend. Of course this was outside of the norm of most seeing a 40%ish winrate on AV weekend but thatâs still a far cry larger from the endless losses many of the map criers like to claim it is even on AV weekend.
This person even admits most of his losses were caused by the player issue and not map factors.
And again, of the 2000+ discord this discussion was done in, this was the average reply with the only thing changing was winrates were usually closer to 40% for alliance AV weekend.
So if this person could reach a 70% winrate and you still only see a 5% winrate in AV weekend⌠My personal opinion is it sounds like your part of the player problem holding the alliance back.
Sounds like all made up numbers which is usually what you spout without any proof.
I donât know why you guys keep humoring these 2 clowns and their âdataâ posts. The only data that matters is this:
- Horde start 1/4th of the map closer to the center than alliance do.
- Hordes cave is right beside IBGY allowing them to res much closer with 30 people ressing at a time. Alliance defending SH res 15 at a time at a GY and is much further away. Taking and holding either GY is the main win condition in AV and they have it 10 times easier than alliance do.
- The choke point at SHGY is 10 times better than the non existent choke point at IBGY.
This is all that matters, this is all that needs changed and they donât want these changes so they carry on about stupid âdataâ that changes nothing and guarantees them free wins. They donât want to admit the wins are a result of imbalances and like to pretend horde players are just better. This is a similar thing to premades vs pugs. They donât want their free wins advantage taken away, they donât want a fair fight. They simply want the path of least resistance to get their titles and useless gear.
These clowns disputing these obvious problems have no data. They sit here posting all day every day in a desperate attempt to keep their solo que free honor ride from changing. Alliance have to premade to get the same win rate that is just openly handed to any hordie queing AV and then rushing to SH. Theres no strategy behind it. Itâs abusing a head start and res waves that are closer and double the size anytime alliance attempt to get IBGY. They donât want to have to premade and actually put any sort of effort into finding a group or having to use consumables in AB/WSG. They want to solo que AV and get handed stuff for simply running north to SH enough times until alliance get annoyed over the imbalances and give up.
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It is ridiculous statements like this that kill any legitimate point you may have, especially after starting off with calling those you are arguing with âclownsâ. The rest of your inflammatory post consisting of your feels doesnât add much credibility either. Most all horde agree that the cave resses and SF death resses should be addressed. But please by all means, continue with your diatribe.
Oh and weâre still waiting for Shrinkydink to provide his âdataâ to back up all of his statements since having not played AV since premades were still running.
No one has access to accurate win loss information aside from blizzard. You know this hence why you keep demanding stuff that doesnât exist in an attempt to change the focus on the discussion. All that matters as i said is the problems with the map. The actual win loss record is irrelevant. Even if it was 50/50 wins it does not change the fact the map is entirely imbalanced. If you guys still managed only a 50/50 ratio with the broken map that simply means you are really bad, doesnât mean the map is fine.
Wins/losses have no bearing on if the map is balanced or not. In this particular case it obviously lines up to show that its a huge problem but even it wasnât such a huge influence on who wins it should still be addressed since its the common sense thing to do.
Imagine if in arathi basin when the gates open alliance spawn close enough to the center of the map that they can completely block you from getting across the bridge to BS, up the ramp to LM or down to GM while they are free to cap it every single game. Even if the horde could overcome this somehow via their rigged racials or just being better(lol funny thinking either side is way better) this would still need changed since its obviously not balanced or fair in any way.
This would be considered absurd if AB was like that, people blew a gasket when there was a glitch to get out of the gate and start capping bases early and when people got on top of the stables to have an unfair advantage. This is the sort of stuff that happens every single AV match and you guys want to talk about win loss stats lol.
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I might go hard next AV weekend and get the addon that tracks your record, just to link it here.
I hope a lot of alliance do the same to show how bad their data actually is.
They keep preaching this â40%â win rate on AV weekends and to me itâs just a flat out lie.
Need more people to download that addon and show them what it really is.
Again, which add-on do you prefer, I know of a few of them, but for the sake of showing you, Iâll use the one you recommend to record it.
I forget what itâs called. I got to install it myself.
My issue is I work weekends ( Truck driver) so my playtime on weekends is limited.
Iâm off Tues/wed. I will try to atleast get 15-20 games in on AV weekend with addon.
No matter what both of you post it means nothing. Two of you doing it is a small sample size and as i said above does not change the simple fact that horde start closer to the center, res in greater numbers closer to the important GY and so on.
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I 100% agree.
All they seem to care about though is win records so Iâm going to post it.
It is a small sample size and there is zero chance he is getting to 40% even on AV weekend. If there were 5 of him partied, I bet he would have a shot at it though.
Not according to Red and his 2,000 player PvP discord.
People had 40% win rates he said. I donât believe him, but thatâs what he said.
You are falling into the trap though. They have you focused on the wrong thing. Look at the other BG maps. They are pretty balanced. You start equal distances from the center. When the gates open you meet at the central point of interest to fight for it.
Focus on what matters, which is:
- Horde spawn is way closer to the center than alliance.
- Cave is wayyyyyyy closer to IBGY than stormpike GY is to SH. Cave also resâs twice as many horde at a time.
- When horde take SH they have a neat little choke point and SF to easily reinforce from since the head start they get pretty much guarantees them it. When alliance try to take IB they have res waves of 30 horde at a time coming from the cave with the nearest best case scenario being SF which is similar distance but also resâs at half the amount of alliance per res wave.
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