Not only do horde have an easy win, they have to actively avoid playing a strong defense for alliance to have a reasonable chance.
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This is one solid ball of irony.
It isnât. Again, your posts are nothing short of trolling. Anything youâve said, or will say, add nothing to the conversation.
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Itâs not across all regions. There are reasons for this as well that have literally nothing to do with this discussion. OCE plays a different meta due to more balanced queue times. I havenât read anything that indicates EU has a 99% loss rate for Alliance either. It is the NA region that is specifically this bad.
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None of that says the map is fair. None of that says the map shouldnât be changed. It does say that your point is devoid of factual relevance.
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Yes, because of these issues thatâs a symptom, so few queue. Itâs an entire faction issue.
Here is a thread for alliance to boycott AV on EU because of the imbalance.
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/av-fix-boycott/176603/25
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Can you teach me how to make up info like yourself? Iâll admit, its pretty impressive.
Lets break it down, shall we?
followed right up by
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Yet horde are presented as master tacticians the moment someone suggests alliance does anything beyond stopping at SH and giving up if overrun.
Irony.
lets hearken back to
Then you seek to preach about something you just demonstrated yourself:
And youâve got the nerve to call others trolls.
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Quote all you want, the entire post still has NOTHING in it. There are no horde âmaster tacticiansâ because the map is in your favor. Its a clear cut advantage that youâve done nothing to deserve. Good god how full of yourself are you? You walk around IRL with that infatuation with yourself?
How you think that all horde are just vastly superior by creating a horde toon blows my mind. Alliance must just be lazy stupid players with any lack of thought whatsoever. Meanwhile, we actually have to try and win AV by coming up with complicated strats that are just shut down by mindless zerging horde, such as yourself. I guess thats where you get this entitlement from. âAlliance always lose, they must be stupid and badâ. Its simply because youâre too stupid to realise that youâre on the winning side of the map.
Someone as arrogant as you didnât get enough bloody noses as a teenager.
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I stand corrected on my EU comment. Found a second one supporting EU having the same issues (there were a couple others too, but this one comes right out and says it from the top). https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/fix-alterac-valley/175945/6
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Whaddaya know, the only people commenting that its not a map imbalance are, you guessed it, horde. And what are they saying you ask? âFix your skill levelâ. âIts not all because of the mapâ âfix your mentalityâ.
Get over yourself. Its 100% map and 100% horde thinking that the fat kid sitting behind the horde monitor is better than the fat kid behind the alliance one.
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Mmmmkay. It isnât all about the map and anyone with any sense knows this. The map does have an impact. A fairly sizable one. I consistently argue it is a 40/60 map. Thatâs a 20% impact. Thatâs pretty massive.
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But if you are going to sit here and say that the HPH is the same for rankers in a 30 minute to an hour long game as it is blitzing pugs in a premade AB / WSG, then you are completely delusional. AV weekend has good players return. Good players lead to a higher win result. Scotpollardâs record during AV weekend goes a long way toward proving that fact.
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All that said, it isnât fair that Alliance have to fight an uphill battle due to the map and it is something they can and should fix with a relatively simple fix. There are plenty of Alliance posters on here who have taken a very similar nuanced view. Because it isnât 100% the map.
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I realize that asking for a nuanced discussion on these forums is asking a lot from some people, but ultimately the issue is a multifaceted one that could and should be improved with a couple of small tweaks to the spawn / respawn system.
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What do you know you ignore the alliance player claiming to have gotten a 40% winrate on AV weekend and how he views it as more of a player problemâŚ
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Hey welcome to how RNG works, some players will occasionally get lucky and go on a win streak. Just like the guy in this thread who was claiming his wins were due to his brilliant strategy but heâs now on a losing streak since RNG has nothing to do with skill and heâs now unable to recreate his success.
How do you know? And how is alliance attendance in AV not adequately explained by the HPH meta which basically excludes AV for both factions?
AV just isnt as popular as the other bgs and the horde have a two hour plus wait on most days. That goes a heck of a lot farther to explain whats going than a map issue.
40/60 is a number that youâve completely made up to justify it not being only a map problem. It is ONLY a map problem. 100%. If you strip any an entire populations chance of succeeding, any negative effects from it (such as mentality) are because of the original problem, this being the map imbalance. No matter how hard we try, different angles we look at it from, it all comes down to be a hard map imbalance. Thereâs no argument man. When ALL regions on alliance are complaining of 99% loss rate, its NOT a player problem.
As for the player with a 40% win rate, i too can make an alliance alt and make things up. Its super simple. I wouldnât put it past any of you to make an alliance toon just to boast a made up win rate.
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40/60 is my personal estimate based on the games I have experienced in AV (both wins and losses) along with how difficult I have found it to perform different aspects of various strategies within the map while defending, pushing, team fighting, etc. I donât recall saying it was some scientific number. So yeah, it is a made up number based on my personal experience in the BG.
This part is hilarious though. He has posted screen shots of wins. He has been in games with other players in this thread. Including a win.
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You accuse me of trolling, but what you post shows nothing but venom and a complete lack of capacity for considering angles beyond âitâs all map.â It isnât. It never has been. The map plays a significant role in the apathy. The queue times play just as significant a role in the losses as the map due to the HPH not being worth it for your rankers (I.E. your best pvpers) to queue up for AV and it hasnât been worth it since January.
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Honestly, I am done discussing this with you. Go ahead and put me back on ignore. I would rather have discussions with people capable of actually looking at more than their own myopic view of the world to make points.
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Do you actually read what you yourself post?
not a single win since AV weekend ended
and the players are much, much worse
yes I understand rankers have given up on the BG
40/60 map advantage sounds about right
rest of the problem is the players
yes I understand map, Q time, premades getting whacked all came first
blizzard will never change the map because âyou think you doâ
the company has never been the same since Mike sold it to Bobby
just find other games and enjoy the classics for what they are
I still believe vanilla is the best game ever made, but Iâm not going to continue to play it if itâs only fun on AV weekend.
The players are all so toxic and none of them play the objectives. 25% chance of getting a team that can actually get kills.
Each game has at least 5 honor farmers, they will take a good offensive push to IB GY, and just lead them to galv for honor/rep. If they do get IB GY, they pull every LT on the map to it, and we end up losing the GY because of it.
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So in short you lied about your win rate being attributable to your brilliant strat and you were just getting lucky for a little while.
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