Highlighting major issues with the map and bumping the thread isn’t delusion. Blizzard has no duty to look here, address the issues, or make any changes; however, like bugs and issues of all kinds, threads can and do focus Blizzard attention from time to time.
I doubt it will change, but Blizzard has surprised me (for good or otherwise) more than a few times.
Are they actual, real major issues or just concocted player nonsense to avoid the truth that your faction (and not the entire faction just the one in AV) sucks at a single particular battleground?
I have my answer and very little doubts.
It’s far more delusional to think that alliance somehow magically start sucking as soon as they get into AV or that horde turn into pvp gods when they zone into AV.
Its not magical when any objective and rational person can observe with their own eyes how these games play out and what the results are.
I dont get 15 perfect AV wins in a row because the alliance are hamstrung by where the horde cave is and thats it - end of story.
I mean, alliance can sit here and admit that they throw games because they cant be bothered and I can get 20 KBs 1v1 because everyone I target is level 54 but thats just more evidence of a map imbalance according to this forum.
Ah… I see you’re a connoisseur of the “I demand evidence! No, that doesn’t count as evidence. No, not that either. Nope, not that either. See? No evidence!!” brand of thinking.
This is a debate in the same way that climate change is a debate.
One side has all the evidence and actual facts and the other is a couple of trolls claiming otherwise with no evidence to support there position.
Alliance DO try and win. Every single game, there is a few people that call out strats. Group 1-3 go here, 5-7 go here, rest go this way. We do it,e very single game. And every single game, since horde already have control of the field of strife, it fails.
You want to know whats hilarious? Is that horde need zero communication to win. Your victory is clear cut by just zugzugging right up through middle and getting your free win. You’re delirious or just extremely dense.
Edit: I know this, because I have a 56 horde rogue that is exalted with AV. Very rarely do the horde even talk before the game starts. Only callouts is to kill belinda, and thats rare as shes easily accessible already. LT’s just get murdered on the way because they’re also easily accessible.
I have evidence too and some of that evidence contradicts map theory.
Evidence helps but Ill take a well reasoned out and rational explanation/argument if one exists. Im still waiting.
And thats not to say some haven’t made some very fair points regarding AVs layout - it just doesnt wholly explain whats going on there with regard to win/loss. Not even a little bit.
Horde lost 90% of their AVs and IoCs in retail for almost a decade and no one batted an eye. Badly too. And the horde doing those bgs did the same thing - blame the maps. And they had all their undeniable facts too about how and why except it ignored the most obvious explanation there was: The 5 people out of 40 who actually care about winning cant carry a bunch of dead weight against a team thats accustomed too and highly motivated to win. Most horde blacklisted those bgs too.
Throw in the classic specific faction queue times for AV, its HPH meta, the mere hundreds that play it and so on and I think I can come up with a more well rounded argument than 'its obvlously the map duh"
Alliance had premades in vanilla noob
Isnt that more a commentary on alliance play? How does one pug team in a pvp bg get a free win against another unless the other team guarantees it?
And this has been my experience in the bulk of my AV victories. The alliance get run over because theyre fine with it.
This is your ignorance and horde bias talking. Obviously your pug has a 22 second map advantage at the beginning of the game and a cave spawn if you happen to die early. I urge you to get an alliance toon to 51 just so you can queue for AV. You’ll shut your ignorant mouth real quick.
No you do not, because it does not exist. If you think you do, post it and we will show why it is wrong.
There are multiple in this thread, just because you don’t wanna use the search function doesn’t mean this does not exist.
This is just false… Alliance won most of the games in AV from launch till 2.3 then Horde started using the map and won nearly all the games a few weeks later blizz fixed the map with 2.4 and the map became better balanced but it has typically been a horde favored map for most of the time of wow however that is more due to the racials differences which led to the player disparity in retail. However there is a reason the next big change was to improve SH defense for alliance. So please stop making up lies.
I would love to see you try, because NOT ONE person has been able to do it yet. Every attempt is shown to be false or irrelevant.
Like I said…
Most? The short lived scorched earth days of TBC were a long time ago. After battlegroups were dismantled the 40 mans were an alliance players wet dream for years. Overwhelmingly so. At least up until late WoD when I decided to stop urinating on the dumpster fire that is retail. Maybe its different now. /shrug
But whatevs, its not really that important. Even if it was only for 18 months its still proof one faction can completely suck at a bg and lose most of the time.
That can happen when only the dregs of their player pools go into it to get points off the handful doing the work. AV is/was kinda known for that.
The horde rez 20 at a time when they die around IBGY or FWGY after those are soft capped, alliance rez 10 at a time at SPGY or DB after SHGY is soft capped. This is a hard fact not an opinion.
If you don’t understand the huge advantage that gives horde early on well myth busted that horde are simply better at pvp than alliance.
Yes horde can throw on the current AV map, however if Horde play defense and are even close to the same quality of players as alliance in current AV they basically cannot lose.
However AV has been horde dominated for most of AVs existence.
If you got one to make then make it unless your intent is to pad your post count.
I dont think the map adequately explains the overwhelming disparity in the win loss rate. Whattya think?
The arguments have been made in this thread… still waiting on yours.
Guy who actually lobbied and argued for this 
version of AV, and now has the gall to complain about it, and cheer-lead defeatism at every opportunity.
I assure you the horde can lose. I went 2-2 this past holiday weekend. I lost 3 the holiday before that and 2 the holiday before that and I dont do that many AVs.
I had a real nice run where I didnt lose or get stressed in an AV for like 3 months (only doing 2-3 a week) but thats not the case anymore.