Authentic ICC with #somechanges

Damn dude, it’s almost like it’s a full BiS projection. Needing a trinket that no one else wants and guaranteed set bonuses sure is a rough place to be.

With a legendary we would be middle of the pack at best.

Like DK’s are projected to be?

Our cooldowns would not save us, as most raids already have 4-5 of these cooldowns from their holy/prot paladins.

That’s not what the dev statement said when it recognised the value of Ret’s utility. Further, Ret was already taken on Uld prog for difficult fights (Algalon) precisely due to that utility.

The big thing is that Ret without these buffs in ICC would be in a far different place to where Ret was in Ulduar when the buffs were designed.

Nah, taking DSac is a choice, you always have the AM spec open to be run. The only reason you’d drop 400 DPS would be if that is a better outcome for the raid on the fight. Aka this doesn’t reduce your contribution but rather increases it.

Daily reminder that DSac was nerfed in MoP for being overpowered in an era when every healer had strong raid cooldowns.

I wish people would stop conflating Feral and Retribution DPS as both being “too OP” because Feral is a tier above us and everyone else, besides Mage, these are 2 extremely different scenarios.

It’s the same scenario, classes that were quite bad in Ulduar getting buffs for that tier, which see them top tier and above lots of other classes in ICC.

This feedback is all centered around the following philosophy from the devs:
Upcoming Adjustments to Retribution Paladins:

While you say this has been rehashed multiple times on this forum, you have never engaged with this statement.

Ret and Feral shouldn’t be this high on the meters in the tier they were originally supposedly balanced around. Blizzard have said that relative scaling staying roughly the same is important to them, players are asking for that to be addressed.

Why shouldn’t class balance be on the table as far as changes go, with all the other changes that’ve been made to bosses, raids, items, etc?

This is a what if about resources the dev team clearly doesn’t have. As it stands Ret and Feral are clear outliers and go against what Blizzard have said about not wanting to make significant changes.

Finally, touching back on the utility point:

What exactly do you think changed from Blizzard saying Ret’s overall strength was fine when they were at the bottom with Fury in Ulduar? Ret has exactly the same utility as it did in P2 and it will likely be more important as ICC appears to be more difficult.

Note: while this post is mostly focusing on Ret, as you say Feral is the larger offender.

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