I left WoW for a few years and returned near the end of Legion. I was absolutely in shock that nearly the same AH from vanilla when I first played was still in place. I am not sure if it was sheer laziness on Blizzards behalf or them just adding minor tweaks to the AH.
There is no conceivable reason why the AH is in the state that it is in, billion dollar company should be more creative and productive on something that every player will use. Just shameful really
*Also we should be able to blacklister single post users so we do not see their 20+ pages of single post crap, just code that in and that alleviate some issue. Not buying the no resources available from a gaming company like Blizzard.
10/12/2018 01:29 PMPosted by XeriusAnd no people, not everyone needs stacks of 200 for everything.
How about a stack of 5? Then the "deposit" is 4% of the price, not 20%.
But you raise a valid issue -- even if BFA only has 2 high-priced raw mats (salmon, anchor), some previous-expansion rare mats are also high-priced and are affected.
So I am objecting to you pretending that one can only post in stacks of 1 or 200. But I agree with you pointing out that several items are affected. I did not think of that. Thanks.
You know what? I used to enjoy playing the market. This just killed that aspect of the game for me. Dungeons, Questing, and PvP tend to get repetitive and boring after a while.
I'm not sure if I'm going to be continuing to subscribe with this change. :(
*shrug*
I'm not sure if I'm going to be continuing to subscribe with this change. :(
*shrug*
08/22/2018 09:49 AMPosted by Ythisensresulting in dozens, if not hundreds, of pages of auctions for a single item. As we looked at ways to change this behavior and improve the overall Auction House experience
Listen dude. If guys creating AH addons can condense that into a single line:
200 stacks of 1 at 10 gold
Then a billion dollar company should be able to....idk update their freaking AH to incorporate some of the improvements that EVERY addon has? Maybe hire those addon people since you obviously employ less skilled individuals who can't figure out how to code your game better than random unpaid dude #27 who does this as a hobby.
Those rando addon people also make it infinitely easy to buy all 200 of those 1 stacks. The only thing that slows me down is the mailbox capacity that I have to wait to reload between looting it all. (Which is the only reason I prefer buying larger stacks)
This issue is only an issue because the basic WoW ui is horribly outdated. Heck one up the addons and let me buy any amount of those 1 stacks that are the same price. Let me type in "200" and buy all of them. Kinda like we can with vendors.
08/27/2018 06:15 PMPosted by PvePeople are not going to buy single stacks, people will stop posting single stacks, because they lose $.
I bought over 400 single stacks just tonight. Idc, lowest price is lowest price. Addons make it easier to buy them. Stop using Blizz's outdated AH ui and your AH experience will greatly improve.
As someone who plays the AH a lot, this is a bad change...as others have stated, the correct solution is to update the AH. It desperately needs it for a variety of reasons besides this.
A simpler bandaid solution; cap single item sales to 5 separate postings per.
A simpler bandaid solution; cap single item sales to 5 separate postings per.
Wow, I was about to get excited, I thought you were going to add something useful, like a buy order with a specified quantity to fill and we can buy-out the single item listings with a single buy order.
But, ok.
But, ok.
Listen dude. If guys creating AH addons can condense that into a single line:
200 stacks of 1 at 10 gold
Addons can show it in a single line BUT THEY CAN"T SPEED UP THE SEARCH. It still takes minutes (instead of seconds) before that single line can show up on high-pop servers.
The stacks of 100 are easy to purchase with an addon, AFTER you wait 8 or 10 minutes for it to show up...
So forget claiming "if addons can do it....". They can't.
Speed depends a lot on the server. I play on 3 servers. I can do the same exact search (using the same addon Auctionator). It takes 20 seconds on Azuremyst. It takes 180 seconds on Wyrmrest Accord. It is in between those on Aegwynn.
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I feel like a simplified way to fix the auction house is to do away with how it does stacks. Like how certain addons that uses bags and only simplified it by making it into a large bag with all available slots those bags give.
So in this case, stop showing list of these stacked items and make them accumulate for the amount total that was deposited. Although that would also mean changing how you'd purchase these from the AH a bit by able to select the amount available by per quantity amount (While showing total amount for how much you're depositing. Like, selling 400 total of the same item for 4,000g you had set but each item is basically 100g each that you can freely purchase for any quantity amount until it is out of stock.)
That way it forces people to stop doing single stacks, and if they want to do it that way, they have to adjust price each time to show up. It isn't perfect and it isn't making it a competitive economy market, it is more like turning a Auction House into a Market Place at this point. Still, its a idea. I just hate seeing single stackers and I wish you can report them for it. Or at least make it so there is a entry requirement so there isn't just a stupid single item being sold. Like...minimal deposit stack at least 10 per auctioned item (For reagent material of course).
So in this case, stop showing list of these stacked items and make them accumulate for the amount total that was deposited. Although that would also mean changing how you'd purchase these from the AH a bit by able to select the amount available by per quantity amount (While showing total amount for how much you're depositing. Like, selling 400 total of the same item for 4,000g you had set but each item is basically 100g each that you can freely purchase for any quantity amount until it is out of stock.)
That way it forces people to stop doing single stacks, and if they want to do it that way, they have to adjust price each time to show up. It isn't perfect and it isn't making it a competitive economy market, it is more like turning a Auction House into a Market Place at this point. Still, its a idea. I just hate seeing single stackers and I wish you can report them for it. Or at least make it so there is a entry requirement so there isn't just a stupid single item being sold. Like...minimal deposit stack at least 10 per auctioned item (For reagent material of course).
08/27/2018 05:50 PMPosted by ButterknivesThis doesn't solve anything because people who post thousands of stacks of 1 are too stupid to even notice the listing fee. Sorry, ban me if you like, but it's the truth.
Not true! This thread was just posted as a redirect & rebuttal in a thread in GD accusing Blizzard of "stealing his gold". OP in that thread is crying because he posted Whiptail Stems as singles & was being charged 800g apiece (so he was listing them for 4k each - for STEMS!). Granted, he didn't notice until he was out nearly 50k but he's not getting a heck of a lot of sympathy.
If this reduces the ridiculous number of pages of single items posted on the AH until a better AH is implemented then I am all for it.
Also, please PLEASE DO NOT implement a system like GW2 has! We already have cross-faction AH on the linked servers & that is enough. You cannot make money with GW2's trader system BECAUSE of the fact that all servers are linked - there is so little competition it's not even funny. When you're selling top-end gear for silver pieces, that is not a good thing. The only good thing about GW2's trader system is the ability to place an order for items - I would not complain if something like that was implemented in WoW's AH. In GW2, a player can place an order for a specific item, along with what s/he is willing to pay for that item. When a player wishes to list that item, s/he is shown the orders that are up & has the option to directly & immediately sell to one of the players with an order or list the item & wait for a sale.
While I agree, that something should be done about the single item listings, this is not the answer. It makes it nearly impossible for low level characters to post items into the AH. This is one good way for them to make some gold, but this will make the deposits so high, that they are unable to post a stack of (say Copper Ore) for a reasonable amount, since they don’t have a couple of gold to lay down on the deposit, yet.
You’re basically cutting them out of the market.
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Only problem is… people sell items at a loss all the time.
Example: common epic cata boe’s from raid, item worth 30 gold in ah for 25 - derp
How about this? An infinitely sliding scale deposit An increase in deposit amount based on your last posted auction on a stack-able white item within 5 minutes. for every item over, lets say ten items auctioned posted in 1 stack sizes, the deposit price increases for each new same item auction post in 5% increments over minimum.
Example I post ten pieces of Tidespray Linen. The first ten pieces deposit is calculated at base so 1c x10 = 10c minimum deposit of 1s kicks in and that makes it 1s deposit on ten pieces of Tidespray Linen in stacks of 1. On the eleventh stack posted in a short time frame (could even make this random between certain values so that would prevent stop chaining auction posts) the deposit is increased by 1+0.05s or 1s05c. the twelfth would be 1s05c*0.05 and so on such that the deposit amount for 100 Tidespray in increments of 1 would be 138s08c or 1g 38s 08c. At 200 auctions of 1 Tidespray Linen the amount is 181g 57s 21c
at 400 auctions of a stack of 1 the infinite progression reaches a staggering 2,990,333g 51s25c deposit. It becomes exceedingly prohibitive based on the number of auctions created a single 200 stack broken in to increments of 1 is moderately expensive on the deposit. More than that though starts seeing exponential increase in the deposit amount. Pain Points can be reduced or increased by increasing the percentage of the deposit. 20% instead of 5% yields 400 individual auctions of Tidespray Linen with a deposit of 3,900,000+ gold. Your average AH 1post wonk will not do that but about once.
Whether or not you return the deposit becomes irrelevant.
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This really hurts lower level players/characters. You want to sell your stuff but right now on a low level character you get punished quite a bit for it. Low level crafting materials for example, it’s such a huge penalty selling(or trying) to sell it.
It’s horrible on a low population server.
What I mean is let’s say Bob started playing the game, he wants a few copper bars to level his blacksmithing. Bob is going to have a rough time buying these because a low level player have to put it up in huge stacks. This was never a problem before they made this change of course.
They should just go with the same system other mmos use, I think guild wars 2 and one other uses. When you put things up it’s added to a global “stack” and the player can buy 1 piece of several hundred.
And this is a bad thing how and for who? The lower level characters if they are playing the game entry level should not begin being concerned about professions and mats until much later in the game (there are too many ways to increase levels and amounts of gold from kills/quests typically increase as you level for professions and mat gathering to be much if any factor). If they are low level alts then they are associated with a main character which likely has gold and can be shifted to the low level alt to eliminate the issue you described entirely. Twinks almost always have mains and other support alts. Therefore the only low level characters that are covered by your problem are xp locked farm bots (why you would not farm on a max level toon is quite beyond me tho) and those are likely not character behaviors that Blizzard wants to support anyway.
I see…YOU are paying these folks sub every month to tell them how or what they should be doing with their leisure time in a game?..that’s all…thanks…let’t not even go into how horribly flawed or downright LAZY this system is on blizzardvision’s part…
My main issue is the list of items that are effected by this change…quick example…I farm outland for mining materials for 3hours. I get Khorium drop rate per node 2-4 lets say I’m unlucky since it’s a RNJESUS spawn and I get 2 nodes with 2 ore each…now this took a good chunk of time relative to how fast I could farm current content and make equal if not greater gold. Maybe I wanted it for xmog for engi goggles from tbc or maybe for the engi mount…and I had left over 2 bars…I stroll to the AH to sell and I post them 1% less than the other 2 posted for 3-3.5k a bar…now I’m paying SIX HUNDRED SEVENTY (^&(*& gold to sell ONE bar…1.3k to sell TWO? Spawn rate aside the nifty addon I use says the regional sale rate is roughly 3 bars a day and I have less than 10% chance to sell…now if I cancel it to play bid wars…with the other TWO whole people selling a khorium bar I’ll lose any profit within 4 canceled auctions but should I not be able to be competitive on an AUCTION HOUSE?! Especially with something that sells roughly 3 a day REGIONALLY…however many realms that is combined on a “high pop” realm…
I can’t cancel because I’ll lose any profit trying to ensure it sells…consequently I’ll need to cancel to undercut competitors if there are 6 bars and maybe only 1 sells that day on that AH…same goes for lots of other materials…it discourages the acquiring and trading of old world materials many of which are used for mounts among other cool things in the game that players are being punished for trying to explore or enjoy…if I can use an addon designed by ONE graphics guy and two? programmers that can literally tell me every detail about almost ANY item, its sale rate and infinitely more things that I don’t even need to know about…why is a team of developers/designers/innovators(pacifiers) being paid well for a decade an a half are still incapable of making a simple auction house filter “sort stack size: 1-2-3-4-5-10-15-20-50-100-200” pretty sure that would cover everyone’s bases for being able to find multiples they need of whatever while also eliminating the issue of single item stack spam which I also hate…without punishing players for using an in game economy system YOU GUYS put in place. At bare minimum I would enjoy posting RARE crafted or farmed profession or gathering materials in single stacks without feeling like Rocky Balboa may be in route to break my legs if my horse doesn’t win the race…matter of fact why don’t one of you clowns go farm a stack of 200 khorium bars or 200 prismatic shards or 200 hardened adamantite bars…or anything else in the game that is old and now a rare or niche item and let me know if you burn through 100k gold before you sell it…obviously people still do old content and sell the items because it works two ways…someone wants the convenience read:(markup) of not having to farm things such as that while still having access to it…inversely someone doesn’t mind gathering said things to occasionally cash in on someone’s convenience and THEIR time…clearly this system puts a hamper on a lot of items such as this. Making others have to farm things they don’t want from lack of availability due to lack of profit this system brings to the would be gathering type. I thought it was free enterprise…buy or sell what you want but now it’s no buy or sell how we say since we can’t implement a simple filter to sort out the single item listing spam…its a lazy cop-out and a joke of a blue post!
THANKS!
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Concur that a change is needed; but, I think you folks are making it more complicated than it has to be. Using your example of 200 Tidespray Linen for 10g each:
Why not limit the number of times the player can list 1 each Tidespray Linen? Player starts listing the item at 1 each per list, and when 10 such listings have been accepted into auction, player is advised that no more single listings of that item can be made?
Player then has the option of putting 10 single item listings up for auction and holding on to the remaining 190, or using a different sized stack for the remaining 190 items. This would have no impact on the player who has 9 Tidespray Linens and wants to list them as single items, but would push players with larger quantities to cut down on the number of single item listings they can make in a given period of time. (Your collected data should give you ideas on what that period of time should be.)
Too much like being “forced” to do something? Human history proves that “voluntary compliance” doesn’t work.
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What are some of these changes to “broadly” improve the auction house?
This current change will affect very few auctions if any.
One specific feature will go a long way to fixing the AH and that is to provide the ability to buy partial stacks of items.
For example in the current system you only want to buy 10 linen. I place 15 single stacks of linen on the AH at 1 gold each and someone else has several stacks of 100 linen at 99 silver per linen. Which would you buy if you only need 10?
If all the single and low number stacks of items is your real problem then get rid of the need for placing single stacks by implementing the ability to buy partial stacks of items.
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make it that you have to have war mode ON to use AH. That would eliminate a lot of this. A guy acts like a jerk on AH, he gets waxed when he leaves SW or Org
I was just thinking about this. When are we going to get this change? 18.4 patch?