09/01/2018 05:22 PMPosted by
Niia
Until the price gets so low that it's not worth physically walking to the Auction House, discount sellers can always go lower, because every single copper over vendor price is profit.
This is patently untrue. As the goblins say - 'time is money, friend'. Convenience sellers alone cannot provide what a server requires in the form of raw materials. Time spent acquiring raw mats has value, too - as it should. Most servers are already experiencing a severe shortage of anchorweed, and this is pre-raid. When the farmers decide its no longer worth the effort, what then?
And there it is the supply will dry up because you have placed a debilitating restriction to what someone can make for the goods he went out farmed.
Another bonus for blizzard is this takes money out of the hands of the player and gives it back to them. 20% non refundable deposit is just insane on any slow moving market. Supply is bound to dry up.
Auction House is running slow again as well as opening mail. 1 Sept 18; since 7pm EST. Realms I'm seeing this issue on: Area 52, Moonguard, Proudmoore, and Stormrage. I'm not having any issues on Thrall or Wyrmrest Accord.
I guess a simple auction house filter that allows you to block single stacks was just too difficult wasn't it, blizz.... Stop acting like this wasn't intended as a gold sink for YOU. Those of us that don't abuse the system now get to pay for the ones that did. Thanks. Love your customer service... It's like you're the Martin Shkreli of "fixing" the AH. Now a couple stacks of something that cost me a few silver to list costs hundreds of gold...
09/01/2018 05:22 PMPosted by
Niia
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This is patently untrue. As the goblins say - 'time is money, friend'. Convenience sellers alone cannot provide what a server requires in the form of raw materials. Time spent acquiring raw mats has value, too - as it should. Most servers are already experiencing a severe shortage of anchorweed, and this is pre-raid. When the farmers decide its no longer worth the effort, what then?
And there it is the supply will dry up because you have placed a debilitating restriction to what someone can make for the goods he went out farmed.
Another bonus for blizzard is this takes money out of the hands of the player and gives it back to them. 20% non refundable deposit is just insane on any slow moving market. Supply is bound to dry up.
end result, people get desperate and start 'buying' their gold instead in the form of tokens. this change gets more and more questionable the more you start to look into it.
One of the most ridicules changes. You have made this change based on something that is not part of the game. People complained about the time it takes for addons to scan? Seriously? This is just another gold sink in blizzards favor.
To address some issues related to the Auction House, we’re reconsidering how deposits—the refundable fees you pay to list your auctions—are calculated. This fee is based on the item’s vendor price, and for profession materials in particular, vendors offer very low prices, so these mats have a low deposit cost. Deposits are substantial on items such as BoE uncommon gear, gems, and so forth, but not trade skill materials (trade goods such as cloth, ore, leather, etc.).
One thing we’ve identified as particularly troublesome is a large volume of trade skill materials being auctioned off in stacks of 1. Some addons make posting quantities of this size trivial to do, resulting in dozens, if not hundreds, of pages of auctions for a single item. As we looked at ways to change this behavior and improve the overall Auction House experience, we found that we prefer to avoid inflexible solutions such as caps on the number of listings a player can make, or increased minimum stack counts, which might interfere with many players' common gameplay habits.
Our current plan is to increase the deposit cost of some profession materials on a per-stack basis, which should provide incentive for players to post items in larger stacks.
Here's an example:
• Let’s say that a player is trying to sell 200 Tidespray Linen for 10g (gold) each. Today, each item has the normal deposit cost of 1c (copper), with a 1s (silver) minimum deposit, so 1 auction of 200 linen requires a deposit of 1s, and 200 auctions of 1 linen each adds up to a total deposit of 2g.
• Now imagine an additional 20% deposit added to the listing fee per auction. With an asking price of 10g each, that raises the deposit by 2g per stack. In the case of 1 stack of 200 linen, the total buyout price is 2000g, and the new deposit is 2g1s. In the case of 200 individual stacks, the new deposit of an additional 2g per stack brings the total deposit up to 402g.
In either case, the deposit is returned to the seller if the item sells. Successful auctions aren’t affected by this change.
Our goal is to give players some forewarning on this change, and to gather feedback. We’re putting together a list of the items that would be affected by this deposit change, which we expect to be limited to high-quantity trade goods. Furthermore, we’re deploying the change to the PTR first, so that addon authors can work through the change while we test it thoroughly.
This change will likely be a temporary measure, as we’re also working to broadly improve the default Auction House in the future. It’s clear to us that many players use addons because they find the default Auction House interface inadequate. A temporary change to deposit fees will help with this in the short term, and we’ll continue to work on overall improvements to the Auction House for a future patch.
This is great except one big issue. OLD MATS DO NOT SELL FAST
If I have a stack of 200 fire bloom a classic herb it takes weeks to sell which is fine but now im spending 5 figures to post my stacks defeating the whole purpose of farming these mats causing a crash on the old content market. And i know a thousand of people who support this mess of a patch for gold farmers will say "just sell the new mats" but when you get undercut frequently and you arent online to lets say re undercut you lose that deposit because it wasnt a successful auction. Basically i pay 2000+ to sell an old mat for 2500 and in the end i get negative 2000 because someone either undercut or it just doesnt sell that day. I totally agree that 1 stacks are annoying but increase the stacks size to 20 so they cant post at 1 anymore instead of screw with the math
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And there it is the supply will dry up because you have placed a debilitating restriction to what someone can make for the goods he went out farmed.
Another bonus for blizzard is this takes money out of the hands of the player and gives it back to them. 20% non refundable deposit is just insane on any slow moving market. Supply is bound to dry up.
end result, people get desperate and start 'buying' their gold instead in the form of tokens. this change gets more and more questionable the more you start to look into it.
Yeah I think I lost up to 50k in deposits on retro mats before i realized what was happening . Blizzards cure for spamming is way worse than the disease.
I'm sorry but a 750g deposit on a few items is a pretty big freakin gamble if it doesn't sell.. I might not be using the AH for a while (and no i'm not one of the D* heads who post hundreds of single stacks of linen cloth)
So what about jewelcrafters? Im going to go broke posting single auctions of gems... This change is rediculus!!
The sky is not falling.
I have a re-roll that posted 13 stacks of 10 copper ore for the going rate. I sold them all and my deposit was less than 3 gold for all of them I made 750G buyout on all the stacks. Hmmm 747 gold profit for less than 30 minutes farming.
Seems to be ok for me.
I've stopped posting old mats, it wasn't good gold but I figured it was better than the few silver for vendoring.
It would always take 2-3 relists to sell most of it.
Now though I will not punish myself, it's actually much easier to just vendor all the old gems, cloth and engineering parts I come across now.
I find comments saying that the new AH Posting Fees are acceptable and sellers should "just stop whining", quite funny. I have read many posts and most sellers are not whining. They are stating that these changes are not good for AH Mats.
What if this was a RL auctioning system - say eBay.
What would happen if eBay charged you 20% of your asking price for only 2 days? Would eBay even exist?
I check the AH daily and my realm results are clear. The Mat sellers have retreated, postings are down, less competition, and prices have gone up. Facts are facts.
Time will tell if this will have the intended impact. I have always thought the AH abusers who post hundred of items at 1 each stack were gold farmers who like to control the auction prices. If I'm correct, this change will make little difference to them as they would just buy the 1-per-stack items from themselves (on a 2nd account) before the auctions expire. This would produce the same results.
So, in the end, this change may only hurt the honest players who never participated in the offensive behavior of 1-per-stack postings, and do nothing to curtail the bad behavior. I contend that a better solution would be to ban the automated auction house addons, and/or allow players to filter out player accounts when searching for items in the AH so we dont even see the 1-per-stack posters (it would work sort of like the ignore list).
Would a physical time barrier be of any use in this situation? Something as simple as a dialogue box that pops up and asks "are you sure you would like to post the following item at ____ value"?
If you're posting thousands of 1-stacks, this will eat up potential hours each time (assuming there isn't an addon that disables it), whereas if you're just posting honestly, it won't take more than a few seconds (which you would have spent waiting for the AH lag anyway if people still keep selling 1-stack items).
Deposit increase is going to do NOTHING. You will HAVE TO start limiting the number of active auctions people post, provide players a way to filter out stacks of one, or list all stacks of one under entries for 'multiple sellers' and a quantity while internally keeping track of the order that folks at the same price posted in.
09/01/2018 04:47 PMPosted by
Looming
I’m amazed at the number of people who HAVE issues with this.
I suppose forums really pull out the vocal though.
The changes are great imo.
Could have they done better? Probably, but this is a good quick and easy bandaid fix. I highly suspect they’re hard at work for a better longterm solution.
For most items, yeah, I agree. But certain high priced items... well, it can get a little ridiculous. https://puu.sh/BnyTG/c9be9fc4ce.jpg
I feel like for the common tradeskill items, it's perfectly fine but for the rarer ones, like Midnight Salmon (Which it is NOT enabled for) and Anchor Weed (Which it IS enabled for) shouldn't have the 20% deposit active, as the supply isn't there to justify people posting in larger stacks than one.
I've not read through all 25 pages, but the easiest fix, and best fix, would have been simply to make it to where people could buy any # of items from a stack, at the per item price. For example, I list 200 ore, at a per item price of 50g each. Player one buys 50 ore, at a cost of 2500g. Player 2 buys 100 ore at a cost of 5000g. Player 3 buys 25 at a cost of 1250. and the last 25 expires, and gets relisted with another 200 stack.
I can't think of any negatives to it. It would reduce the number of pages of items, more items would sell. It will help people who need to quickly get 3 of an item to hop in to raid (maybe they are just short a couple of herbs to make a flask). No more trying to find a stack of the right size or having to buy a bunch of smaller stacks or buy more than you need. You can buy exactly the amount you want.
I just don't understand why Blizzard needs to create a story about the AH and provide a ridiculous fix. I've been playing since LK and I've always seen pages and pages of 1 each posts. The AH was not slow then... The real story is Blizzard has just about completely ignored the AH AI and now Blizzard has a software issue that they, Blizzard, caused. Why go after anyone using the AH when the real problem is Blizzard? Fix "your" problem Blizzard, you created the problem not the users.
Ok so just a few fun facts from my server's AH today.
Main intention according to Blizzard is to prevent mass spamming of items in normal and large fast markets because of the bad lag and overall clunky performance. (UH HUH).
Bronze market on my server. Typcially on Sundays afternoon bronze bars are at their low of 3 to 4 gold and present in quantity. Today with the tariff enforced on the bar the supply is confined to a small amount of sellers in large stacks. If u are looking to buy small amounts to complete a recipe you are out of luch because the are not there. Since the supply has been restricted thru a tariff the price has also risen to 8 gold (low point on Sunday afternoon).
Titan steel market no tariff. Business as usual.
Dark Iron bars. 30 to 60 bars selling in 1s and sometimes 5s before tariff. After the tariff, only my 6 stacks of one which will expire shortly then none. At the current market value it would take a 400 gold deposit to repost. Than aint going to happen.
Meanwhile you can spam the pearl market with 150 stacks of one which has no tariff all day long for about a gold.
Please repeal this change Blizzard.