Single stack items on my realm have EXPLODED after this change. Simply in protest of this decision.
I understand you wanted to not do a "hard cap" or try to directly control what people can and can't post on the Auction House, but you have to know your audience at this point. Either hard cap the amount of auctions a single player can have on the AH or create a hard minimum for trade materials.
The community will take any wiggle room you give them and throw it back in your face. Stop trying to treat them like adults.
This change is pretty terrible. Why didn’t you incorporate a system where I can list a stack of 200 cloth and buyers can purchase between 1 and 200 cloth from that stack? Then you could make other changes like adding a cap on how many auctions a character can have up at a time.
People post singles because it is safer and faster to sell that way. With the new system it is still safer and faster to post singles but now everyone is penalized more if their large stack of gems don’t sell.
You didn’t fix anything, and you’re only punishing the casuals who don’t sit at the AH and undercut all day.
People post singles because it is safer and faster to sell that way. With the new system it is still safer and faster to post singles but now everyone is penalized more if their large stack of gems don’t sell.
You didn’t fix anything, and you’re only punishing the casuals who don’t sit at the AH and undercut all day.
In other news,. Blizzard forces a half assed fix to a problem they ignored for years and makes it worse. Also water is wet.
THIS has to be some kind of a joke! I'm putting about 200 stacks of 200s every 48h on a high overcut and usually only 10-20% of it sells! Now I'm gonna end up having to pay about 3000 EXTRA gold every 2 days just cuz of this new ''FIX"... jesus christ this is so broken... and the arrogance in the blue posts is mind blowing! We are your customers and you are suppose to show some kind of respect! Even to those that place a ton of 1s (Trust me I hate em as much as you do)!
Simply revert it back until you find a better solution! The protest will make it even worse.
1st! Make it so all crafting materials with the same price stack and the one that
placed it first will be bought off first.
2nd! Give people option to buy as much as they want from a single stack. I for example and I'm sure most others... won't mind if their stack of 200 is sold in pieces because... HEY! Some people don't need 200 OF A CRAFTING MATERIAL FOR THEIR NEEDS AT THAT CERTAIN MOMENT!
3rd! Maybe invest a bit more into your AH servers... I'm certain you receive more then enough money from your customers to do so!
I PERSONALLY WILL POST 10000 OF 1s FOR EACH BfA MATERIAL IN PROTEST OF THIS IF IT'S NOT RESOLVED IN THE NEXT 7 DAYS! REVERT IT BACK IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION, DON'T PUT A BRAINDEAD ONE!
Simply revert it back until you find a better solution! The protest will make it even worse.
1st! Make it so all crafting materials with the same price stack and the one that
placed it first will be bought off first.
2nd! Give people option to buy as much as they want from a single stack. I for example and I'm sure most others... won't mind if their stack of 200 is sold in pieces because... HEY! Some people don't need 200 OF A CRAFTING MATERIAL FOR THEIR NEEDS AT THAT CERTAIN MOMENT!
3rd! Maybe invest a bit more into your AH servers... I'm certain you receive more then enough money from your customers to do so!
I PERSONALLY WILL POST 10000 OF 1s FOR EACH BfA MATERIAL IN PROTEST OF THIS IF IT'S NOT RESOLVED IN THE NEXT 7 DAYS! REVERT IT BACK IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION, DON'T PUT A BRAINDEAD ONE!
For those of us who have hundreds of auctions going at the same time, you just ruined the AH for us. I will now cost me several thousand gold to list everything that I regularly keep on the AH. 40g deposit for a 200 stack of Ore? WTF? Then, if I get undercut, I lose that 40g? Are you insane? This does not fix the single stack problem. This screws things up for everyone else.
08/28/2018 08:47 PMPosted by Kyrra
The real problem that is causing the lag is trade skill master, you can run it from your desktop and it constantly scans the AH for prices and stuff (This isn't an exaggeration, it keeps scanning the AH over and over again).
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This is not at all true. The desktop app does not scan the AH at all. In fact, it stops you from having to do so, reducing server lag. When the AH is scanned, the data is uploaded to TSM, which then pushes that data out to everyone with the TSM desktop app, updating your AH data, without requiring you to individually scan the AH. You really could not be more wrong.
But coming up with actual solutions is hard.
So, this silly change does not solve anything... I have been making bank on goblin gliders since the xpack landed, last night I went to post 50 stacks of 5 gliders (people tend to like buying in 5s, I tried full stacks but they move waaaaay slower) and it wanted 20+g a stack to post... I switched to 25 stacks of 10 and it was still insane price, so, I tried 12 stacks of 20 and it was still stupid price... This change should only be in effect if people are selling excessive amounts or singles... not whole stacks... :/
Like I said, you should just restrict the number of stacks people can post... not do something like this, that is only going to make me do like I did... I posted the stacks, just 1 stack of 10 or 20 at a time... that was cheap...
What you will find happens is addons like Auctionator and TSM will suddenly be able to get around it by posting 1 stack of 1 (or 5 or 10, etc.) one at a time and just working around it... it is an addon after all... the programmer can easily work around this crap...
NOT IMPRESSED... please put more thought into crap like this before you dramatically effect core operations like the AH.
Like I said, you should just restrict the number of stacks people can post... not do something like this, that is only going to make me do like I did... I posted the stacks, just 1 stack of 10 or 20 at a time... that was cheap...
What you will find happens is addons like Auctionator and TSM will suddenly be able to get around it by posting 1 stack of 1 (or 5 or 10, etc.) one at a time and just working around it... it is an addon after all... the programmer can easily work around this crap...
NOT IMPRESSED... please put more thought into crap like this before you dramatically effect core operations like the AH.
I'm really concerned about this change.
I'm concerned that it won't have a significant impact on the idiots who post multiple stacks of 1 mat, because they invariably sell their stacks (because they tend to massively undercut).
And I'm concerned that it *will* have a significant impact on those who post larger stacks that only shave a few coppers of the price. Because they'll get buried behind all the stacks of 1 mat.
In fact, I'm very concerned about the possibility that in practice this may have the *opposite* effect of what was intended. Only time will tell, of course, but I have this bad feeling in the pit of my stomach about this change.
I'm concerned that it won't have a significant impact on the idiots who post multiple stacks of 1 mat, because they invariably sell their stacks (because they tend to massively undercut).
And I'm concerned that it *will* have a significant impact on those who post larger stacks that only shave a few coppers of the price. Because they'll get buried behind all the stacks of 1 mat.
In fact, I'm very concerned about the possibility that in practice this may have the *opposite* effect of what was intended. Only time will tell, of course, but I have this bad feeling in the pit of my stomach about this change.
I've never used the AH much, but in the past week I decided to try my hand at herb farming and selling. One of the big problems I've come across with this new implementation is as follows:
I don't personally set the going rate for any given herb, market demand does that, so things like anchor weed are extremely valuable on my server. I had a stack of 39 that I gathered tonight and went to put them on the AH. The majority of auctions were price gouging at 1K + per unit, the most reasonable price (and I say that so incredibly loosely) was 800 per unit so I went to auction at that rate. Since the unit price is so preposterous and the flask requirements are 5, I wanted to put them up at 4k for 5 with 7 stacks.. the deposit was over 3k, when I changed it to 3 stacks of 10 it dropped the deposit to 200g.. seriously that is messed up and it is really only punishing the people who don't have the gold to spend on deposits or large stacks of mats that they may not need.
I get that the singles are a problem, but this is just silly. 5 anchor weed is a reasonable stack at the price point, particularly considering its rarity and that 5 is the required stack size to make a single flask.
I don't personally set the going rate for any given herb, market demand does that, so things like anchor weed are extremely valuable on my server. I had a stack of 39 that I gathered tonight and went to put them on the AH. The majority of auctions were price gouging at 1K + per unit, the most reasonable price (and I say that so incredibly loosely) was 800 per unit so I went to auction at that rate. Since the unit price is so preposterous and the flask requirements are 5, I wanted to put them up at 4k for 5 with 7 stacks.. the deposit was over 3k, when I changed it to 3 stacks of 10 it dropped the deposit to 200g.. seriously that is messed up and it is really only punishing the people who don't have the gold to spend on deposits or large stacks of mats that they may not need.
I get that the singles are a problem, but this is just silly. 5 anchor weed is a reasonable stack at the price point, particularly considering its rarity and that 5 is the required stack size to make a single flask.
Because this would actually make sense, can we get some NON ARTIST people to design the Auction House, and maybe people who know how to deal with economics?08/29/2018 04:55 AMPosted by YshalThis change is pretty terrible. Why didn’t you incorporate a system where I can list a stack of 200 cloth and buyers can purchase between 1 and 200 cloth from that stack? Then you could make other changes like adding a cap on how many auctions a character can have up at a time.
People post singles because it is safer and faster to sell that way. With the new system it is still safer and faster to post singles but now everyone is penalized more if their large stack of gems don’t sell.
You didn’t fix anything, and you’re only punishing the casuals who don’t sit at the AH and undercut all day.
not thrilled that they are trying to compensate for a outdated AH and servers with behavior modification.
My consequence Is I'll accumulate full stacks, look at the price to list it, and up the cost by 10 times that much
so
if I listed a stack at 1,000 gold and it has a 500 gold cost I now set my price at 2000 gold.
and people who want to buy just 1 or 5 of something can just buy the full stack or farm it.
Also I notice a lot of 4 stacks which means if someone wants 5 of something and is gold poor then not need to buy 8 and if they want a round number it is 4 times 5 so buy 20 (more gold for the seller.)
To much of a mess and two many people don't understand the way markets work.
And yes I understand undercutting, but pretty quick I can figure out the TSM buy points and move product to the whales at their automated buy points and still make good gold.
One way to do this is list single items until you find that auto buy point where you list and within a minute you see Buyer for your Auction has been found. Maybe check it again then list everything at that price point if it is profitable for you and let the whales take the chance that their buy and relist strategy works.
And those are just obvious stuff.
No matter how hard they try to break things someone will find a way to make it work for them, and others, those who enjoy buying and relisting may have to come up with a different strategy to make their millions of gold.
My consequence Is I'll accumulate full stacks, look at the price to list it, and up the cost by 10 times that much
so
if I listed a stack at 1,000 gold and it has a 500 gold cost I now set my price at 2000 gold.
and people who want to buy just 1 or 5 of something can just buy the full stack or farm it.
Also I notice a lot of 4 stacks which means if someone wants 5 of something and is gold poor then not need to buy 8 and if they want a round number it is 4 times 5 so buy 20 (more gold for the seller.)
To much of a mess and two many people don't understand the way markets work.
And yes I understand undercutting, but pretty quick I can figure out the TSM buy points and move product to the whales at their automated buy points and still make good gold.
One way to do this is list single items until you find that auto buy point where you list and within a minute you see Buyer for your Auction has been found. Maybe check it again then list everything at that price point if it is profitable for you and let the whales take the chance that their buy and relist strategy works.
And those are just obvious stuff.
No matter how hard they try to break things someone will find a way to make it work for them, and others, those who enjoy buying and relisting may have to come up with a different strategy to make their millions of gold.
I feel like this is intended to encourage sellers to put their items up for full stacks but what about the buyers who just want to buy enough to craft whatever it is they need? If this change succeeds and most auctions become full stacks, its a lot of extra gold for unneeded materials on the buyers end.
seriously why is this not only applied to B4A trade mats ... This is dumb. plus making x1 anchor weed be a 150g list cost is stupid.
How about a list of what mats are impacted?
As an AH player, I have to say that you're headed down the right path but you're confused about what REALLY happens on the AH. People don't/won't buy ore/bars/cloth etc in stacks of *200*! I *know* this because I focus exclusively on old trade materials and play the AH daily, buying and selling. Stacks of 200 are just too much for the average player to buy - they normally don't need that much. Old school stacks of 20 are still the "norm" on the AH. You will kill off all the AH players with this change, which will keep the inventory on AH thin and frustrate the average player with the inability to find the mats they need. This is a terrible idea. Minimum stacks make much more sense, for example 10 or 20. Terrible. Idea.
08/29/2018 07:03 AMPosted by MaikeruI've never used the AH much, but in the past week I decided to try my hand at herb farming and selling. One of the big problems I've come across with this new implementation is as follows:
I don't personally set the going rate for any given herb, market demand does that, so things like anchor weed are extremely valuable on my server. I had a stack of 39 that I gathered tonight and went to put them on the AH. The majority of auctions were price gouging at 1K + per unit, the most reasonable price (and I say that so incredibly loosely) was 800 per unit so I went to auction at that rate. Since the unit price is so preposterous and the flask requirements are 5, I wanted to put them up at 4k for 5 with 7 stacks.. the deposit was over 3k, when I changed it to 3 stacks of 10 it dropped the deposit to 200g.. seriously that is messed up and it is really only punishing the people who don't have the gold to spend on deposits or large stacks of mats that they may not need.
I get that the singles are a problem, but this is just silly. 5 anchor weed is a reasonable stack at the price point, particularly considering its rarity and that 5 is the required stack size to make a single flask.
if you had posted 3 separate transactions of 1 stack of 10, it would have been 67g per post... now THAT is the screwed up part.
08/29/2018 08:31 AMPosted by SistersueAs an AH player, I have to say that you're headed down the right path but you're confused about what REALLY happens on the AH. People don't/won't buy ore/bars/cloth etc in stacks of *200*! I *know* this because I focus exclusively on old trade materials and play the AH daily, buying and selling. Stacks of 200 are just too much for the average player to buy - they normally don't need that much. Old school stacks of 20 are still the "norm" on the AH. You will kill off all the AH players with this change, which will keep the inventory on AH thin and frustrate the average player with the inability to find the mats they need. This is a terrible idea. Minimum stacks make much more sense, for example 10 or 20. Terrible. Idea.
^This
I was going to start gathering older mats and putting them up in stacks of 20 for those who wanted to level their professions for each expansion grouping. However, those older mats usually don't sell the first time around because not everyone is working on the older professions so it can take listing them 3-6 times at the least for them to sell. By the time they do I've now LOST gold because of these fees.
So I guess I just won't put all those old herbs, ore, skins, cloth, cooking mats, up and whoever needed them can just be frustrated if there is none on the AH and they get stopped dead in their tracks on leveling their profession. I know many times I've had that happen with older mats, none on the AH at all.
Why not make it to where you can search for a item then also search for a stack size?
That way you only get results of the item you're searching for in that stack quantity.
That way you only get results of the item you're searching for in that stack quantity.
08/29/2018 09:07 AMPosted by AhverosWhy not make it to where you can search for a item then also search for a stack size?
That way you only get results of the item you're searching for in that stack quantity.
They did say they're trying to improve the AH over all but that will come at a later date. So maybe that will be a thing?