Scanning in general really needs to stop. The people who use the mods should have a pretty good idea of what they need to keep an eye on and what can be ignored most of the time.
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If you are only posting the items once a day, then it wouldn’t be abuse. The abuse is when the item is posted, cancelled, posted, cancelled, over and over and over again during the day when it drops to 2nd place just to stay on top of the sell list. Once a day wouldn’t be abusing, IMO.
However, do you have an addon that will scan for new sales on your items so it can cancel and repost the item for sale? If so, you would definitely be abusing the AH.
As far as I know, Blizzard doesn’t even allow automated programs running.
I actually don’t mind scanning for data purposes, underminejournal is a very useful source of information.
Perhaps Blizzard could put out an official source for that information on the official web site, an equivalent of undermine journal.
Then people wouldn’t HAVE to do these repeated scans.
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Yeah, but we can’t put up a 48 hour listing in trade chat, at least not without breaking the ToS.
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Even cancel scanning 1 to 2 times a day isn’t abuse, it’s how you get your items to sell when people undercut or post after you.
The only abuse is the people who do it all day every day.
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Apparently the developers at Blizzard who made this change have absolutely zero understanding of basic economics, because here is a list of various problems that will occur if this moronic throttling is retained instead of being reversed as it should:
AH sellers will start by increasing prices dramatically.
If I can post a thousand items in an hour before this moronic update, but now it takes me 2-3 hours to post the same kinds of items, then I should be selling those items at 2-3 times the earlier prices in order to achieve the same gold-per-hour. THIS IS COMMON SENSE AND BASIC BUSINESS.
Who does this hurt? Literally every other player (“consumer”) who wants to buy those items. They won’t have gold for it.
If they don’t have the gold for it, then I, the AH seller, won’t farm it and try to sell it. I’ll just vendor most items instead, OR I won’t even play the game at all if I love farming that much. So this hurts the AH seller, and it potentially hurts Blizzard also.
This hurts everyone: the AH seller (less gold per hour); AND the Auction House consumers (who will either need to pay exorbitant prices for anything they want, OR will simply not find that item for sale at all), AND Activision-Blizzard, who may lose players because those players can no longer do what they found fun (selling items on the AH, farming transmog to sell, etc.; OR, on the consumer side, buying items they want but can’t find with gold acquired in-game).
This is a monumentally stupid change that does no good.
You want to fix the problem of lag? Improve your servers. Write better AH code overall. Use basic common sense.
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Undermine uses the external API, it has no bearing on game performance. It uses the same thing that blizz would use if they were to post that information on their own site.
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Why should we have to use trade chat when there is an in-game auction house?
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Does it? Huh, I could’ve sworn it used user-supplied data. Maybe that was in the old days. (The really really really old days.)
You don’t. You just will run into issues if you’re constantly cancelling and reposting 2,000 items at a time.
Why can’t you use your program to just post your items for sale as normal and then let them sit in the AH and see if they sell just like everyone else’s? It’s the constant scans for cancels and reposts that is wrong.
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It’s really not. Most folks writing add-ons for WoW are cowboy coders who only seem to obey best practices when they’re forced at gun-point. If they’re abusing the API and Blizzard wants them to back off and rearchitect their code, the only message that will actually get through is throttling them. It’s not a band-aid, it’s the strongest tool Blizzard has in their arsenal short of just straight up breaking the API.
What people are doing is not right. They are not using the Auction House in the spirit it was designed. Blizzard is cracking down on folks using the AH wrong using the means they have at their disposal.
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Posting took me 5 hours today, up from the privous 1.5 This is with 0 under cutting and only posting my current Transmog stock, no double ups. We can’t even just post and leave it.
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I don’t really understand why people repost mogs that constantly have 10+ posts, I just vendor them at that point.
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Ashna, read my earlier comments.
I’m not cancelling and reposting over and over. I don’t care anything about that nor do I have remotely that kind of time to sit there and constantly do that nonsense.
It shouldn’t take hours for me to repost the expired 48-hour items I am selling for some arbitrary reason that hasn’t been in the game since freaking 2004.
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Which I’m not, as I said in my post. I post once, maybe twice, per day. It depends on if my auctions roll off before I go to bed.
My point was that there are situations in the game where posting a lot of items is normal. It hurts us all, both seller and buyer, to throttle posting. If you want to slow down the bots and goblins, slowing down the cancellations or delivery of cancelled items would be far more effective.
To that end, my solution would be simple. Assign a set value to every item, and make the auction house FIFO. Every item would eventually sell, just like the tokens. Everyone wins.
I know it will never happen, but I can dream.
(Sorry, should have been FIFO).
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If you’re clogging up the auction house that much with junk that doesn’t sell, I’m glad that Blizzard is putting barriers in your way.
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Glad to see the TSM boys a cowboy coders 4head.
This has only been an issue since the recode. you’re argument is invalid.
At some point there wasn’t an external API so yea, I don’t know when it was added though, but it’s been awhile.
It’s the same thing TSM uses to keep prices up to date without needed full AH scans which slow down the AH immensely, imagine if we still had to do full AH scans to see if something was worth selling…
It does sell though, why else would I maintain it. Enjoy not being able to buy transmog on your server.
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