Attacking game developers

I dunno man.

I was just told that the people giving complaints get offended if anyone ever disagrees with them.

I am not saying people shouldnt post complaints. But I am being told I shouldn’t post on the forums by those same people.

Which side is really offended?

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I personally have never attacked a Developer…It’s just a Fact the whole team has created a version of WoW I do not recognize after almost 20 years. It sucks to see the development of content and story-line that NO LONGER makes any sense.

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if you hate a thing, you’re providing objective feedback.

if you like a thing, you’re a corporate shill.

simple math

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Yes that’s true. Please stop it

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for the same reason, they should stop making pickles. they’re disgusting and nobody with a brain likes them. all pickle companies should cease and desist immediately. if you don’t agree with me you’re in the pocket of big pickle

edit: “in the pocket of big pickle” would be a good guild name

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And that’s fair. I have no issue with people seeing a game that’s been around for 20 years and saying it’s changed in a way they don’t like.

Personally I feel the story has always had holes and mostly didn’t make sense on the same level as today.

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We see that all the time and it’s not just in this game. What people don’t realize is that even if they get the changes they like, that doesn’t mean they would be happy.

One time I was in a software group and someone wrote a game. Obviously it was a simple one. People complained and wanted changes so the guy gave us all the source.

I saw some things I wanted to change, changed them, (it was written in C++ without the “++” stuff, i.e. it was written in C). I got it working, played it then realized it was not all I hoped it would be. I fixed a couple small things but the original game was better.

I’m sure that is what would happen if Blizzard gave out the source and these complainers implemented their changes. A small few might be happy but most would not like what they had done.

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:joy: My only preference in cars/trucks is that it does what I want it to do. Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Buick, Chrysler, Jeep, whatever. I have preferences for features but if the dealership doesn’t/won’t offer them, I just move on. Same with games – if they entertain me, I’ll play 'em. If they don’t, I don’t castigate the developers; I just go find one that does.

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That’s just not true and that’s a bad example. Wows player base hates itself more than any other game community I know but the reason people quit always boils down to a few select reasons (difficulty, class tuning, lack of content, toxic playerbase)

The most prevalent reason I’m sure people quit is storytelling. Wow’s gameplay was dated even for its release LOL people played because you could chat with strangers and they liked the warcraft story

hey, i happen to agree with you. i’m just saying that people here will criticize you for not spending enough of your free time vocally being mad about features of those cars that you dislike.

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I’d fight him. :smiley:

Once upon a time, I would have said, “grow up” or “act your age,” but these days our “world leaders” act that way so… Sorry, but all that stuff is main-stream now.

Be a rebel.

They destroyed flourish, one of the best rdruid cds in one patch. 100% increased healing and adds time to hots for 8 seconds (plus tier set ) to 25% and 6 seconds…… in 10.2. dead also removed 10% from circle of life and death to a measly 5%. Basically destroyed the playstyle and now everyone is forced into grove guardians or u can’t even clear a 20. :man_shrugging: :cloud_with_rain: Maybe if they slowly nerfed it and weaned us off it, cool. But literally in one patch, the way we have been playing for months will be gone in one patch. :cloud_with_rain: I can understand why people would be angry and frustrated.

I can’t really blame people for calling out the devs on obviously bad decisions. Some of these choices are so bad idk how they didn’t see it.

Plus you always have the devs using the cop-out phrase of “looking back we would have done it differently”, just admit you chose poorly and actually listen to good feedback.

As an example ret got literally zero notes or feedback during beta, only for them to do a full rework months later. If they had listened during beta it would have been different. However its a well know fact blizzard devs dont actually play any of their games.

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Be careful with this analogy, you might find yourself getting milked.

:+1: I understood that. Which is why I rarely pay attention to that kind of drivel. It can only hurt my feelings or trigger an emotion if I actually give a [censored] about what others think of me. I’m perfectly happy with myself, and I’m the only one whose opinion counts. I’m old, I’m grumpy, I’m cantankerous, and damn near impossible to get along with. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: But I just do me.

The developers probably have pretty thick skin, too, or we would see a mass exodus from the hallowed halls of Irvine with the release of each xpac. They do what they do, I figure out its effect on me, and either play or unsub and move on.

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If you’re familiar with the Witcher Netflix show, you know that the writers of the show didn’t like the source material and wanted to tell their own story ruining a beloved IP.

That’s how I feel about WoW, the current devs didn’t like WoW. They wanted a different world, so they retconned all of the lore, emasculated dialogue and artwork in legacy content and created something completely different in DF. It’s so disappointing to see something that gave you years of enjoyment completely destroyed.

If a genie granted me three wishes, I would use the first wish to fire every wow writer and developer that isn’t on the art team.

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OP is only considering feedback at face value. Most of the feedback here is using reverse psychology. They present the changes they don’t want as an extremely hostile demand to try and trick the devs to not do it out of spite. it is more effective than asking. It’s like Trump style extreme hyperbole negotiation but tailored for Cali narcissists.

Dude, are you a dev or something on a shadow alt lol…
Or trolling, or just a die hard fan lol

Honestly… your topics are getting tiresome.

The community, for lack of a better word is more defending Blizz than again in almost a cult-like fashion. Here and elsewhere.

The ones TRASHing the game for the most part, don’t really play the game anymore [outside of the forums].

Inside the forums, people have their gripes. And guess what, if the developer of said product does something a client doesn’t like or agree with, they will voice their opinion on it. Forums at least the last 15 years have mostly been a place to direct said complaints, opinions, venting…

These developers, I do not attack personally but when you gather info from their interviews, online presence, etc, it is clear a lot of them don’t really play the game on a general level but either higher end, or EXTREMELY casually. Thing is, most devs in the gaming industry don’t [from what I heard] play a lot of the thing they work on at their job.

I am not surprised.

Now let’s look at the history of these and past devs…

Most ‘constructive’ criticism was RARELY taken into consideration. It wasn’t 'till Dragonflight that they wanted to change that. Heck, I’ve seen past OG wow dev say that whenever a CM came to them with ‘‘feed back’’, that DEV told them to stuff it lol [in not those exact words].

Developers are a stubborn beast. I remember when the creator or one of the creators of diablo criticized D3, the devs there went on to act like children to that person and had some expletives.

So your whole constructive vs destructive criticism has no merit in the whole dialog between these developers and the player base because both sides have different definitions what said feed back means and what is better or not.

Frankly I think this team is stuck in some hell loop just out of their field when it comes to MMO’s in general. They are probably better suited doing a single player game that is simpler.

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Firstly, you don’t speak on behalf of us, secondly the users on the forum are such a small % of the actual playerbase, you can’t call us the community.

Thats like saying the 5 guys in the steam room complaining about their vacation represent the 5000 families at the entire resort.

Finally

It doesn’t matter what your personal opinion is. Attacking game developers with insults and derogatory accusations is unacceptable behavior in all shapes and forms.

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