Asmongold : '' Lost Ark is Pay to Win , World of Warcraft is Pay to Win ''

[Artäois-kelthuzad]

Cash = WoW Token = Carries = Gear = Pay to Win.

[Adilith-frostmourne]

what did they win?

[Cäpslöck-proudmoore]

Counterpoint: I have never paid for a boost on my main, and it’s got way better gear than the toon you’re posting on.

[Yulicilla-khaz-modan]

You managed to make a “is wow pay to win” post without making a “is wow pay to win” post, impressive.

[Duvainíl-moon-guard]

Yep.

Lost ark is f2p. So the p2w angles are gonna be there. Its not as bad as world to tanks imo. WoT the p2w slapped you in the face to say I am here dude!

How do you get people to put out money to pay the bills for a f2p? offer bene’s to pay. Simple concept really.

I don’t ding lost ark here. after my founder runs out…I play for free. Will I be top 10%? No. Will my research timers and such go to crap? Yes. Do I care? No.

Casual with solo tendencies. Let’s me play and have fun no boosting…all it needs to do for my needs.

[Cyous-illidan]

yeah, it’s a grey area for me. i can very clearly swipe my card and get loads of gold. (i think there’s a purchase limit though?) And from here i can give gold to players to carry me. By definition of “pay” i am getting it by paying.

In that same breath, i can earn a huge amount of gold in-game without swiping my card and buy boosts anyway. And that is not pay-to-win imho. “P2W” infers that I can pay the company/Blizzard for the rewards, or I am given some overwhelming advantage to trivialize acquiring what I want.

[Adilith-frostmourne]

yea but really you’re not “winning” because you’re coming in 2 place or even further back. Winning means being the 1st. And alot of boosted player have to wait for high end player to actually finish the content and be geared enough to carry other players.

[Cyous-illidan]

Sure, but you can define “pay-to-win” as “buying something I want” too. If two whales duel, is the loser not considered winning in the eyes of pay-to-win?

i dont think its wise to try and define p2w for WoW, but rather dissect each pillar of content for different p2w elements and decide “how bad it is” compared to other games.

[Allibankalt-stormrage]

@Artäois-kelthuzad

Cash

Funded by the WoW token

@Artäois-kelthuzad

= WoW Token

Thats backed by player earned gold

@Artäois-kelthuzad

= Carries

Using the skills of other players

@Artäois-kelthuzad

= Gear

Earned by the other players and given to one

@Artäois-kelthuzad

= Pay to Win

= Pay to pay players for their services of carrying you through gear that is randomized and non-guaranteed.

[Zhoe-area-52 (Zhoe)]

@Bloomsday-sulfuras

If you consider WoW pay to win because you can buy AoTC with real money in a round-about way, then A LOT of games are pay to win that one would probably not consider real pay to win games.

Lost Ark is certainly more pay to win than WoW is, and Asmongold is aware of this nuance but even if his audience isn’t receptive of it. And the degree of pay to win and the accessibility of it matters.

People are more likely to engage in pay to win if it’s on the store vs. if it’s on the store but you have to find a trustworthy carry and hope that you don’t get scammed and if you do get scammed they don’t give you your gold back etc. etc.

I was unable to beat WoW without buying it. P2W.

[Yipper-wyrmrest-accord]

WoW is not pay to win. Stop linking Asmongold clickbait