Diddy said you ain’t going nowhere… 
They will not tell you. And for good reason.
Again, they were pretty clear in their intent. as mentioned, they are looking at people who they have observed through many logs of their own. People consistently, and sometimes even with purpose (probably chat logs) who are doing this over a long or short period of time, leaving keys to grief/troll.
Blizz will not be any more specific, to stop the internet from internetting’ and causing these players to now have guidelines to follow, to help them cheat the system, while still being malicious.
That’s intentional.
You aren’t gonna get punished for this.
Assuming you’re not joining and leaving 4 seconds after the run starts. Multiple times a day. 
I can’t my work schedule is inconsistent and with medical issues I’m also not able to play the same time every single day. There are weeks I can play 40 hours and others I can only play 2 if that and its at 6 am. M+ is appealing because unlike raiding I don’t need to schedule my life around it.
Reason number 2. I’m not a likable person, I’ve known this since I first started talking. I’m highly disagreeable and people can only take me in small doses and will eventually leave. Thats good because I likewise generally don’t much like people and can’t deal with peoples issues. I’m a hermit by nature and yet I can still push keys without the need for guild drama.
If they don’t want us to pug than they need to break LFG.
I think thats about all I have for that.
They are not.
Lets say the state of california states that speeding has become an issue and they will now be pulling over and fining anyone who speeds. You look around and there are no speed signs and there is no criteria found at the DMV. When you ask they tell you it should be obvious what the speed limits are and they won’t tell you because if they did you might go 54 in a 55 zone. In practice what this does is allow the police to decide arbitrarily at any point that they can just make up a speed and decide you were speeding and ruin your day.
Would you not think this would be an issue and you would need clear laws as far as the speed limit and what the penalties were?
I must confess I’m having a hard time believing so many people are just willing to accept rules that are not clear.
i think you just aren’t understanding. or are unwilling to see.
Playing the game naturally will not incur a penalty. This has been stated in the blue posts, and many people across multiple, multiple forum posts. saying the same thing.
Bad team? you’re fine.
Bad connection? you’re fine
Bad timing? you’re fine
Bad breath? you’re fine.
Leaving keys 15 times a day, over the course of 2 weeks? while putting in the chat “,I,” to the party? You’re going to get suspended.
It truly isn’t hard to understand.
Heck…you may get your wish. maybe blizz will come out with this big post about what they are looking for in terms of guidelines of leavers.
Now we have a different problem. They have now provided the same people they are trying to detect and punish. A LITERAL GUIDE on how to bypass their “detection system”
Those same leavers and griefers, will now do the same thing, just differently to fly under the radar.
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And yet you ruin their key when you leave.
While they didn’t give exact numbers, they made it pretty obvious that is was only the most egregious offenders and those doing it so frequently that it was intentional disruption.
Also it was suspensions, not bans FYI.
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Again we can come up with extremes and say see how easy it is to apply common sense but the post was not clear.
During winter I have days where my internet can drop several times a day for up to half an hour is this still covered under bad connection? Will they check and if so can people just hit reset on their routers?
It doesn’t need to be a big post all we need is something that is clearly objective and that you can follow.
Rule Set Seasonal Leave Cap
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Maximum Leavings: Players can leave up to 25 dungeons per season without penalty. Exceeding this number incurs escalating consequences (e.g., temporary suspensions or reduced access to M+ content).
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Reporting-Dependent: A leave only counts if at least three players from the group report the individual within 10 minutes of their departure.
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Wipe-Based Exceptions: Leaving is not penalized if:
- The group wipes three or more times on a single boss.
- A majority of players agree to disband (via an in-game disband check).
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Connection Issues: Players disconnected for less than 5 minutes will not be penalized. Longer disconnects count as leaving unless the group reports otherwise.
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Initial Timer Rule: Leaving within the first 5 minutes after the key starts does not count, but the key is not downgraded as usual.
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Push vs. Completion Keys: Different rules apply:
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Push keys: Players may leave after a majority vote (three or more players agree).
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Completion keys: Players are expected to stay until the dungeon is finished, barring major group issues like persistent wipes refer to above rule for number of wipes.
Thats all it would take and its not that big.
In this case I might not agree with a rule but at least its clear and I can go out of my way to make sure I don’t break it either by not doing M+ on days I have bad internet, or by making sure I don’t join completion groups.
I don’t run key pugs, anymore. If I we can’t get a regular key group to show up for keys where we all agree on the rules, we run delves or raid or I just fish and stuff.
seems we disagree.
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Actually, yes they do, believe it or not. Wanna know why?
So they can evade jurisdiction while they text and drive. Or under the influence.
Going 40 MPH or less on a 60 highway spells trouble. There is a thing called “traffic flow”.
I guess so because
“The sort of behavior we actioned was either without regard for the experience of their fellow players, or in some cases, even deliberately intending to harm others’ experiences.”
seems fairly clear cut to me. Again, while they didn’t post numbers, people who leave keys periodically are not included in the group above. A vast majority, likely 99.9%+ of players, will not be affected by this.
i get you will go to any lengths to defend blizzard but even you have to admit its literally up to interpretation on what they mean exactly, so no its not “clear cut”
so please explain how this is clear cut
countless times in this thread and other threads people have already explained why its vague and given countless examples of how people can interpret the meaning differently.
even makes it worse because a thousand people will have a thousand different definitions on whatever harming others experiences means to them.
and if we assume you are correct(which we dont know because the post was super vague)then the issue of people “griefing” keys by leaving was never as big as an issue as people keep pretending it was or is.
now, if the post had actually come out and just said 99.9% of us wont be affected maybe this whole thing would have been avoided. that is literally the entire fricking point. dunno why people keep acting silly as if this isnt the case.
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So they can evade jurisdiction while they text and drive. Or under the influence.
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The rule being broken here is ‘texting and driving’ or ‘driving while drunk’ not ‘speeding’.
If you go to the CS forums (customer support) you will see countless blues telling people “we will not tell you why, only that this has been detected, investigated and upheld. Being too specific will allow people who create these bots and cheats too much information for malicious reasons”
I am pretty sure they will have the same process for this.
By giving the griefers and trolls specific detection guidelines, you will allow them to figure out ways to bypass blizzards “detection system” to which will allow them to continue their malicious actions against the player base with limited repercussions.
Considering the blue post itself verifies this.
this right here. is exactly why they aren’t going to do this. the season lasts MONTHS. You cannot quantify this number. You will punish the average player for simply having a bad string of groups over the course of seasons. And will now allow the trolls/griefers an exact # to bypass.
And note I didn’t say “speeding” OR driving while drunk. I said, “under the influence”. Which implies impaired driving.
How to NOT drive impaired?
Drive slow. 
You won’t get caught.
So most pugs doing 12’s and 13’s are on their radar because there’s zero way you’re not leaving way more than you’re completing.
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They are quantifying this number because they are taking action against accounts for it…
Exactly that is the fear and to alleviate that we need a number. I pulled one out of the air but it can be say 1000 runs left or 2. Or it might be percent based like if you are the first person to leave a run in more than 20% of the keys you do. Then preferably have a number we can check to see how close we are and when we have to pay more attention to it.
We need clarification.
Exactly if you are pushing your own key as hard as you can you should be failing 50% or even more of runs.
Its just guessing as everyone else.
And this doesn’t even get into if continueing the run is causing a harmful experince to you. I was recently in a NW key where the timer was done and we had three wipes on the last boss. All three were from the same player killing dps by running their pools on top of the player coming back up and trying to drop their puddle in the corner.
I was frustrated and on the verge of saying something a bit blunt so instead I dropped the group without a word for both my own and their mental well being.
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