I honestly did way more socializing when we had RDF…
Without it, it feels like a single player game where you see other people sometimes.
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No, it isn’t. You’re conflating two different things. When people say “So, what you’re saying is…” it’s not always to clarify your statements, it’s to show you the logical conclusion of them, which is what I did. The problem is you don’t like the logical conclusion, so you continue to deflecting to this issue of “repeating”, which has zero to do with this conversation.
Yes, I have, and continue to do so now, while you simply respond with “nuh uhh” which isn’t a conversation at all. That’s the difference, I can disagree with you and prove you wrong with facts, citations, and logics, and you just default to “nuh uhh”. I am trying my best to have a discussion here.
I literally am, it’s your argument, you made it, it’s the only one you’ve yet to concede at this point, as you’ve just continued to deflect with the “repeating” issue.
I have to remind you of your own argument, again? Your argument is that you don’t pay them to make the game, so by extension, your argument is also that Blizzard would continue to make the game without anyone paying them, because that’s the logic that follows from your INITIAL ARGUMENT.
You said right here:
Again, if you’d like to concede this point like you concede the others, I would accept that.
Yeah, you meet a lot of different people and can help those people with some basics for the game. Like hit and expertise caps or whatever else. Saying people didnt “socialize” in RDF is just a blatant lie.
You know the majority
I said what I said. So whatever that statement was, was the statement. I dont like this “so, what your saying is” because its usually wrong and them making up an argument and I have to repeat the exact thing I said. So no its absolutely about repeating myself.
No, you havent.
No, not at all, and that not why I asked you to tell me what my argument was, it was to see if you were wrong or right.
NOPE… Wrong.
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Because they are the same person behind the one screen.
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As the part of the Community that enjoys and wants RDF, we do want RDF.
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Except that’s not how logic nor language works. You recognize that people can use your statement, the logic present in it, or the lack thereof, and extrapolate from it, yes? That’s what I’m doing here. I’m using your LOGIC and following it to its conclusions to derive at a logical endpoint. You don’t like that endpoint and are deflecting now, but the only way to change that endpoint is to change the logic that led us there.
You don’t like it because it shows how weak and fault your logic is. You saying that you “don’t pay them to make the game” logically means you’re saying that Blizzard makes the game for free, since you’re not paying them to do it and they’re still making it.
Yes, I have, and continue to do so. I’m glad to see were past the “nah uhhh” points now.
Right, so let me ask you this, do you know what MY argument is?
Not wrong. You may not want it to be your argument, but it absolutely is because of the logic and words YOU presented.
Honestly? Wouldn’t be surprised.
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Again, I said what I said. I dont care how you took it or otherwise. I said what I said and thats that. Dont like it, I dont care.
100% wrong.
For one, no we dont pay Blizzard to make the game. There is no commissioning of this product. They make it you choose to buy it or not, and then choose to continue to pay to play it. Thats the model they have, pay to play. This is their overall model encompassing everything so dont come with your tired and played out argument of “this is classic”… and? You still pay to play, not pay to dictate how they design the game. They cant actually do that because your dollar is no better than my dollar.
The thing is, most people were under the impression that Classic was doing back and revisiting the old content HOW IT WAS. No, people arent going to be here looking at everything that Blizzard says or does. They set a precedence that isnt being adhered to.
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Yes, and what you’ve said it that Blizzard makes the game for free, because apparently, you’ve decided that your subscription fee doesn’t go towards making the game, as that’s not what you’re paying for.
Nope, it’s your argument, you’ve made it and continue to make it. To change that argument, you need to revise your original stance.
Ok, and what happens if no one pays Kelliste? Your logic says “they continue to make it still” even if no one pays, because no one is paying them to make the game anyway. In your world, they make the game for free. Do you understand why this doesn’t work? If no one pays yet they continue to make the game, that means they, a BUSINESS, fail to do the ONE thing a business is supposed to do, which is MAKE MONEY.
Where did anyone claim this? Please quote where I have ever said this.
Why would you be under that impression after they came out and very publicly embraced #SomeChanges? Did you somehow miss the memo? Even Classic Vanilla had changes that didn’t make it “how it was”. Why would you still be here after that?
Because their vision changed. Why should they follow a destructive path of authenticity? Because you personally want them to? That’s arbitrary and not how businesses are run, sorry to say.
HAHA, no I didnt.
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Yes you did here. You, the player, don’t pay them to make the game. So if players don’t pay them to make the game, they make it for free. That’s your argument. You can retract it if you’d like but that’s what YOU said.
That’s not saying “they make the game for free”. 
Yes it is. That’s where the logic goes to. If players do not pay them to make the game, no one else does, therefore, they make the game for free. What are you not understanding here?
No, that’s where your logic goes. You’re putting words in somebody elses mouth.
Like I said we do not commission them to make the game. They make it, we decide if we are going to buy that product or not and continue to play it through their subscription service. What do you not understand about this? Its so simple.
Where are you getting this nonsense from? Huh? I didnt say it. So there isnt anything to retract.
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No, that’s where objective logic goes. Argue against the logic if you’d like, but “nuh uh” isn’t an argument.
Nope, just following their logic to its endpoint.
That’s not how it works. It’s a live service game Kelliste. What are you failing to understand here? If your subscription fee doesn’t contribute to them making the game, then, by your logic, they make the game for free. It’s very simple to follow. I’m not sure where you are misunderstanding.
Commissions aren’t the only way to pay for a product.
If you stop paying = the product ceases production, that means yes, you PAY for the product to be made. You do not literally seek out a game developer and commission it, but without your pay, the product isn’t being made.
Yes you did. The logic you presented says it so you’ve said it. If you do not wish to say that, then you’d need to revise your logic.
The MAJORITY of people do NOT want RDF, the Devs even sided with us because we have given feedback to never implement it.
I understand that you think it’s great and all but you are in the minority if you want RDF and quite frankly the minority should never decide for the majority.
RDF has a lot of negative effects to social interaction and it is a Retail tool that should stay in Retail.
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You know I cannot find that very hilarious concerning 90% or at least a good portion of the player base plays the game extremely similar 2 retail.
People don’t sit in dungeons and talk And I know because I tanked quite a lot of heroics back in TBC and I can tell you 90% of the time I do yell at people to Ella people to wait for the concentrate to hit.
people do not have patience nowadays Oh everything’s about speed Oh everybody placed the same speck oh you mean what everybody else does now It couldn’t possibly be the fact that it’s a solved game and we know it’s best right.
It is not 2008 it is 2022 People play the game very differently there are communities but most of them would I’ve seen are generally on guilds and discords this whole idea of a server community where everybody knows everybody ends like a neighborhood I hate to tell you a pal.
For the most part that just doesn’t really exist anymore especially in the higher pop servers I am sorry you cannot have that if it’s a population over I’m going to say maybe 4000.
Past that this neighborhood feeling work everybody knows everybody it doesn’t exist If people care way more efficiency now than anything else And I love how you say the majority of the community concerning most pthey consider most posts I see about this there’s a for more for than there are against.
If so if it is the majority as you claim The wise almost every single post about this There’s a lot more people that want it than people that don’t.
No, they’ve already stated multiple times the subscription they pay is for access to the product, and we don’t explicitly pay blizzard to make wow/wow classic. Which is true. The only time we’re paying for a product is if we’re purchasing the game itself, otherwise we’re paying a subscription to access the servers to use said product. You are choosing to apply “your” logic and claim they’re saying blizzard is making a product for free.
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Right here you use the word explicitly because you know that Kell needs to backpedal. No one is saying you explicitly pay them directly for that. Please refrain from fallaciously interjecting with a strawman. What I AM saying is that your $15 a month contributes to the game being made.
If players stopped paying $15 a month, the game would cease production, so therefore, you ARE paying for the game to be made. Without you paying, the game wouldn’t be made. This is very simple to understand.
because bloomsday, rdf, and lemon among others are probably the same guy… and its a made up chart. the official chart i saw released by blizzard along with its profits information, sure doesnt prove what this guy and all his alts say. but they are all about misinformation and confusing the issue anyway.
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