No Arthas redemption, dear god no arthas redemption.
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And no redemption for Sylvanas. That’s just lazy writing, white washing the crimes she willingly made, like damning all those innocent women, children and elderly kaldorei souls alone is a unforgivable act. But what really disturbs me the most, is the suggestion by some, that she shouldn’t suffer any conquences for her actions by merely being a woman.
The horrible crimes she commited? She made a choice to comit those crimes and should suffer for them
She decided, on her OWN, to murder INNOCENT women, children and elderly Kaldorei. That single act alone, should condemn her to the Maw. That act alone makes her a pretty unsympathetic character.
I don’t disagree. In the context of the crimes, Sylvanas’ own suffering is likely not enough to reduce what should be Sylvanas’ sentencing.
But that doesn’t have anything to do with her being a woman.
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That part was admittly a misunderstanding, but looking at her crimes alone? And the countless innocents she had murdered, tortured and experimented on over the years? No one can possibly think she deserves anything less than the Maw.
And this is coming from someone who loves her as a character, just so you know where I’m coming from. Her and the forsaken are the reason I even got into WoW to begin with. So I don’t want people to think this is some anti-woman, mysgontic tirade against her or her gender.
True, however the point is that ignoring a person’s history and victimization, rather than presenting it during sentencing, is negligent and a miscarriage of justice. So likewise, what some people want is for Sylvanas’ own corruption and torture to be brought up, so that we aren’t talking about the crimes alone.
However, as I said, even taking Sylvanas’ history into account, there’s not much that should reduce the sentencing because of extent of the crimes. But as long as we properly bring up her history and actively factored in that it doesn’t impact the sentencing then we have done our due diligence.
Properly bringing it up is fine, I don’t think any rational person has a problem with that. But also, any rational person is going to look at everything she did and go “Well…she made a choice to murder innocent people who had nothing to do with her turning into what she was made to be.” And the burning of Teldrassil, abuse victim or not, sorry, any decent person is NOT going to sympathize or feel bad for her. Least we both seem to be on the same page that regardless of what her past is, she’s pretty irredeemable.
Well, Delaryn felt bad for her, at least even after the War of the Thorns, though before the burning.
Obviously that was a mistake.
Though, even Malfurion felt bad for her in Elegy during that same brief period:
- Malfurion Stormrage shifted his shape, tossing the stag’s antlered head as his hooves traveled swiftly over stone and grass. He followed the ugly thrum of dark power wafting through the air. If he slew her, the city would still fall—but it would be more easily retaken with the Horde in disarray.
And part of him wanted her to pay for what she had done.
He shifted form from stag to elf, sent out commands to rock and root and soil and leaf, and waited. And when she appeared, sensing him as he sensed her, elegant even in her undeath, he found that his union with things so much greater than he had taken away his fury, leaving only sorrow—for his people, for his beloved, and even for Sylvanas Windrunner.
“There will be no forgiveness for this, Sylvanas.”
“I know.”
Maybe I missed it, but has anyone actually been saying that Sylvanas doesn’t deserve to go to the maw? The only blowback I’ve seen is the assertion that her punishment needs to come from Arthas in the maw.
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You can be a terrible person and still have some people feel bad for the crap you went through. Doesn’t change the fact your evil, but does make them more sympathetic (One thing people get wrong a lot is a super terrible person can not have a sympathetic backstory, or that a sympathetic backstory makes the character less evil).
Arthas being redeemed for stopping Sylvanas is dumb for two reasons. The first being Sylvanas is evil because of the terrible crap Arthas did to her, it would be like N’zoth being redeemed because he stopped Deathwing. Sure it was a noble deed, but it was only a problem because you completely destroyed their minds to fufill an evil plot.
The second is the fact you can’t just redeem a super evil person like Arthas by going “Now I good K?”
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I’m the first to admit I’m a huge Arthas/Lich King fanboy, but people, seriously need to leave my boy alone. Don’t ruin his story. We got closure on him already. Would it be nice to see him make a cameo in Shadowlands? Sure, but I think that it should be Bolvar and him meeting each other briefly or something, if that.
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I agree. Arthas’ story was concluded a long time ago. We all know his motives, his actions and his final destiny. It is done, over, finished. Why do we still rehash it? Let Arthas lie/suffer in peace. There is no need to raise him back from the dead.
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Like I said, if they really want to give Arthas a cameo, it should be in Revendreth, with Bolvar and the Ebon Blade. Since we know they play a big part in the storyline there
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