It sucks, trivializes all my work and makes the game even easier. That’s my argument and I’ll move on if BC releases or just drop back out of MMO trash genre. I’ll stay with classic+, but I don’t think they have the talent to pull it off personally.
Did you forget we were discussing a potential TBC re-release?? Flying was MAX level ONLY back then…and to get the top speed you had to spend lots of gold.
So that whole bit about flyers having a major advantage in leveling over others is total BS as it didn’t happen until MUCH later. This is about TBC not retail.
It wasn’t until they changed the game to lower the required level to fly down to 60 post Cataclysm that people started having major issues with it where wpvp was concerned, but lets face it folks…wpvp died LONG before TBC or anything afterward. Feel free to watch wpvp die out yet AGAIN when Phase 3 hits on Classic if you don’t believe me…The game won’t have flying at that point so what’s gonna be the wpvp whiners’ excuse THEN???
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No, but that’s where the discussion led. People responding that flight universally is good for the game was where I took issue. And they still have advantage in all other max level world content with flight over non-fliers, so if it’s in the game you either have to use it or play gimped to hell.
You are acting like leveling was the only argument. Flight is a force multiplier in all outdoor world activity.
Like it or not, you are in the minority. FAR more players like flight than those who don’t. That is a FACT as evidenced by what happened during WoD when Ion and his team tried to quietly remove it and then gave an Q & A interview on the Polygon website and said it would never be in the game again.
Remember all the raging on the forums??? Remember the million+ subs that were lost?? Why do you think they didn’t report sub counts anymore after that?? That removal nearly killed the game altogether as people left it in droves for FF14 because they put out an expansion called Heavensward at the SAME TIME that had…say it with me…Flying
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Lol you are conflating the overall hatred of WoD with its lack of content with people leaving solely because of flight. Unless you have some hard data just on flight and flight alone, which I know for a fact you don’t, you are making an unfounded claim.
I have asked several of the “classic +” guys… what exactly are you asking for after classic? Are you saying Blizz should create an entire new expac that is not TBC for the classic servers to play?
What exactly is the “classic +” thing?
The numbers I stated were the players who left because of the flight issue alone. The content drought was responsible for even MORE subs lost. Go look at the sub counts both before and AFTER flight removal was announced…it happened over Labor Day weekend that year so it shouldn’t be that hard to track down.
You claim you haven’t seen any valid reasons well here are several that i thought of without trying very hard.
- It will split the wow player base into 3 groups instead of 2.
- Introduced flying, which was the first downfall to wow
- Instantly makes all the raiding and dungeon gear worthless, making the game a carrot on a stick
- Introduced shaman and pally to opposite factions making the no longer a unique class for the faction
- Introduced space themes to a generally fantasy style game
- Space goats and blood elves
I am sure there are plenty more. Wanting something doesn’t mean it should be done. I mean look at what retail became
Except when you play as a shaman. 15 minute CD on Astral Recall which does the same thing 
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With all the crying about layering and the fact that they can not take it out as there are already tons of people all sitting on the same quest mob for hours in hope of getting it… seems the player base needs to be split.
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Flying was not the downfall of wow… you could not even get flying until almost max level and most people could not afford it till WELL after 70.
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So after sitting in raid and dungeon gear for 6 months or so… what is your plan? People will simply quit playing mains or the classic server at all if there is not way forward to progress their toon.
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Pally’s and Shaman being on both sides was the best thing WoW ever did.
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Ya… cause you can’t introduce things that are completely made up in a world that is completely made up right?
You have shown nothing in the way of reasons to NOT do TBC… everything you have said either demands they release it or is just sour grapes…
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Actually the majority of those in favor of the re-release of TBC and beyond are advocating for separate servers, with a 1 time character copy or transfer (I prefer copy to keep your main on Classic) so no there will be no level boosts lol. Either that or people will start over at level 1 depending on what they opt for.
People who want TBC don’t care that new races got added OR the fact that Pally/Shaman is no longer faction specific. Changes to class mechanics in TBC were welcomed since it made all classes/specs viable and removed the “hybrid tax” of Classic but it did NOT remove class identity. Wrath was when homogenization of classes began, and not before.
I’m with you on not wanting Classic to be forced into TBC or Classic+ however. Separate servers or nothing else at all…Classic should NOT have to die for anything else to come after.
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Ok. However just because my opinion is different from yours doesn’t mean its wrong. Its just different. learn that opinions are not facts
And what would be sour grapes. There is no bc server. sour grapes would be on you, not me. Im happy to not have bc
I dont see anywhere that I stated that you were stating facts or that I was… I was stating my opinion on your opinions…
I think its clear who exactly needs to understand the difference in opinion and fact…
Kinda cool that I can have an opinion too huh?
/faceplam
everything you have said either demands they release it or is just sour grapes…
This is what im referring to. your opinion is yours, but mine are mine. You see them as a reason to have it, i see it as a reason not to have it.
I personnally despise the fact that they added Haste and Resilience. These 2 stats split the gameplay into 2 category = you either pvp to get resilience, or you pvm to get haste. For players, like myself, who enjoy both the PVP and the PVM, i hate the fact that the gear i get from PVM is completely useless in PVP and vice-versa.
Thank you for telling me I was right… you are crying about facts v/s opinion and you just quoted my opinion…
You can’t win this… you just got all defensive and accused me of stating facts and now have admitted that it was an opinion…
Done with this line of discussion… can’t believe I actually wasted 10 mins trying to educate someone that is so clearly… gone.
Lol. You blatantly say that my opinion is wrong.
Its like arguing with a 15 year old that knows everything
OH look… another person that thinks calling people a kid or a 15 year makes them look all big and bad online…
You feel good now? Bullying much?
Pretty much everyone who wants this has a different idea of what it should be.
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The game developers did that on purpose. They saw what happened when people who cleared high end raids went and dominated in the BGs in vanilla. They wanted to appeal to the PVP community who doesn’t raid and were angry about having to raid just to be able to compete on an even playing field.
Resilience was the great equalizer and truly separated the men from the boys in terms of the PVP meta. I thought it was a brilliant change that really revitalized the PVP aspect of the game as a whole. Now it wasn’t a faceroll with raid gear anymore…it was either Lrn2play or get rekt.
There’s nothing that says you can’t swap gear sets to do both. You just have to respec accordingly as well