Ever since I entered the PvP scene I’ve always heard about positioning - or more so being “out of position”. While I understand the concepts of overextending, LoS’ing, and peeling, I still do not understand the concept of being “out of position.”
Am I not pillar humping properly? Am I positioned in a way that makes it difficult for my arena mate to maintain uptime? Is improper target swapping considered bad positioning?
I haven’t taken PvP seriously since 5s died with WoD but I still hear about bad positioning even today. Can someone clarify what constitutes as being “out of position?”
when you are supposed to be there but you are here
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/sigh… thank you for the insight.
Oh you tell your partners they’re out of position if you want to place blame on your partners but don’t have anything real to say.
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positioning is determined by situation and comp so out of position would be when you are not in an optimal position based on the situation you are in and comp you are playing. There are a lot of different scenarios so it would be hard to give a general rule of thumb. It also depends on what class your are playing and your comp as well.
Let’s say you’re playing 2s as a Rogue Mage, and the other teams are pillar hugging two diferents pillars, and you as a mage, are hugging one of the two opposite pillars. The rogue goes for an opener on one of the two of the other team, you see them but instead of going foward you stay behind the pillar. The rogue opens and you start moving towards them, by the time you reach them, the rogue is alreaddy cc’d and probably your team missed a good kill window.
If you were there before you might added some damage to the burst, or cc’d the other player to prevent any counterattack, a save, or whatever.
In that scenario we can say you were out of position. A situation was about to happen, you saw the incoming situation but you weren’t there when needed. In other words, as Warkah said:
when you are supposed to be there but you are here
In other situations, we can say that you’re in the perfect place to hit your target, cc your focus, like, the perfect place to be, but maybe being there enables the other team to execute a setup on your team easily, in that case you are also out of position (unless you have a plan B ofc or thats what you want to do or bait).
Now this is helpful. I struggle to find that middle ground between being in position to make a play while still being able to help my team. It seems like tsg and turbo has me conditioned to an all or nothing style of play and that’s not plausible outside of those comps.
Out of position can mean many things and not just one.
- missing kills
- unhealable
- not able to support your team.
- missing a crowd control (CC)
- out In the open getting spam CC’d
The list could probably go on and on.
When In the arena all 5 of these things should be going through your head.
As a monk if I’m caught around the piller line of sight of my healer and get stunned and blown up.
If I’m in the middle of the map just being spam polyed by a mage.
If I’m being over passive during goes and miss a kill.
Unable to disarm the rogue when he goes to burst my partner.
Or not helping set up good CC chains on targets for us to get pressure.
All these things are being out of position.
As if that wasn’t bad enough you’ve also need to make sure you don’t get thrown into a bad position.
For example exampled I have teleported back to heal myself and have seen warriors come leaping in to finish the kill. To get ring of peaced line of his healer, leg swept and bursted.
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It’d be easier to see some of your gameplay and point out the positioning errors tbh, hard to just say “this is proper in this scenario”
As a warrior you never want to line your heals. Casters like mages will always force you to chase them to spots where their healer or other dps is between you and your healer. Keep an eye on your healer and intervene to them if you need to reposition.
Positioning is one of the single biggest factors in improving at arena, something I’m constantly trying to learn