Arena Feedback - Priority Changes

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Sorry for the -yet another Arena thread- but I feel like all of the Arena posts are getting glossed over or not taken seriously, or falling on deaf ears.

Nostalgia and Engagement
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I just want to emphasize that Arena is a giant part of TBC nostalgia and success, among other things definitely, but is one of the best PvP systems that WOW has had.

Not only is it a giant time sync into the game, but it is a content sync where streamers and content creators can stream their arena engagements which directly gives free press to WOW TBC.

For many people, its the ONLY thing they do outside of raid logging in the game, and for others, its literally the only thing they do.

The Problem (And Slowness To React)
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Currently, for a very large number of people, it has become unplayable. Not because there’s giant balance issues, or because something is broken… It is directly because of the implementations that Blizzard has made.

You had 2 options when figuring out the Arena Points disparity. You could have brought back the starting at 1500, and go from there or scale the points which you did… Which is fine, IMO, you had already gone all in with the other system, so you decided to increase the points you get from Arena and curve the point gain better.

This is fine IMO, it was quick, it was added into the game already earlier than we thought you would have added it. Its since been 3 weeks.

What I don’t understand, is that you recognized a problem ( people need to be able to get into PvP faster ), because the current systems made it that honor gear took hundreds of hours to grind to get - per character, and arena gear took even longer and the not starting at 1500 caused point discrepancies. I’m sure you understand that the quicker you can get into arena, the more people participating in arena, the more people create alts to participate in arena, the more people that created alts for arena might actually want to raid to get the upgrades pieces they need for arena, etc. Overall it just increases the amount of engagement in the game.

However, you have since done absolutely nothing. You cannot increase Arena Points given, while talking about that before Phase 2, there will be a decrease in Arena Points required for gear, and just disappear for 3+ weeks. There are just some things that make 0 sense, and this is one of them. So, while everyone is waiting for you to implement the price decreases, and just maintaining their 10 games a week (or not playing at all), you are losing engagement, losing players, and the community is losing faith.

I can get another piece of Arena Gear right now, get the 2 set bonus, get considerably more health, and around 70 more resilience because of the 2 set bonus, which is a good amount. If I do that, I spend 1850 on a piece of gear, with the PTR prices, that will be like half of that. Even if I bought that, and I went up another 200 rating. The amount of extra points I would generate over those 2-3 weeks would not even equal the amount of total points lost for just hording and waiting till after the patch.

Lack Of Communication
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Additionally, we have been testing same faction PvP for like a month and a half now. In that time you have mentioned that there’s some statistics, there’s some small tweaks, etc. You have little to no communication on WHY this is taking so long to implement permanently into the game, or why you haven’t decided to put arena gear prices lowered, or the honor prices lowered yet. Your effectively strangling all the PvP systems yourself. Your lack of communication and willingness to just put it in the game already is slowly killing off your entire PvP playerbase.

Community Engagement & Competition
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And I will finish off with saying this.

Blizzard has always been in a place where as long as they release content, people will come and play. Blizzard quality has for the most part always been at the top. But you are sitting in a day and age where other games are starting to come out (will not name) that are competing (seriously) with your attention and commitment to the game in terms of PvP and PvE and Story.

But meanwhile, instead of actually implementing these changes that are so severely necessary to revive the PvP in TBC, you are waiting and saying absolutely nothing and waiting and making more people just stop playing in general… Where is the communication? Why is it taking so long for Blizz to implement the Arena/Honor vendor changes so that people can ACTUALLY buy the items they are hording their points for so they can ACTUALLY play arena seriously. What is the issue? Is there something the community doesn’t understand that is severely pushing back these changes?

I think this is the #1 most pressing thing currently in the game that needs to be looked at, and just… nothing is happening at all.

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I’m right there with ya! PvP was thee most looked forward thing to do in TBC classic and it was botched from day one.

Blizzard literally needed to do one thing; drop TBC as it was back in the day with no added BS, and people would have come and played it, probably for years to come.

And also, if they didn’t screw over classic 60 with forced tbc migration, people would probably still be playing that for years to come. When I was all naxx geared out towards the end of classic 60 I constantly saw an in flux of new players, now those severs are ghost towns… Instead, we got dead classic 60 servers and botched TBC release.

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while I hate people crying about the grind, this is a well typed post with good points. +1

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Its actually unreal how they cannot communicate with us at all
Its so insulting after 15 years of paying for this game
Blizzard drops the ball and just decides “who cares” while we hold the bag]

Report Summonok, hes a mentally unstable poster who is aggressively trolling all the current threads.

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Total garbage comment that adds no value to the conversation in any constructive way! I thought I did and I actually did, except we didn’t get TBC we got something else. It didn’t take months to farm blue gear in original TBC, it took like a week. Arena points came much faster and we started at 1500z. These changes were intentional to deliberately increase the grind by blizzard than was in original TBC when it was retail.

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I really don’t think you’re sorry.

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Report Summonok

Hes aggressively insulting players on several different forum posts for no reason
Hes unstable and emotionally charged

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Wrong!

I played TBC buddy, it took multiple weeks to grind out a full set if you played everyday.

I vividly remember playing every day after work for 6 hours a day and I would get 1 piece every few days, it took me weeks, probably 1 months+ to get a full PvP set in original TBC grinding DAILY.

It was always like this, stop lying, this is the original TBC.

Also, even if you are a terrible at PvP it should only take you 2 hours max to get 1500, which isn’t hard at all, win 15 games and your at 1500, it’s not hard at all, starting at zero is irrelevant.

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You need to stop harassing people on this forum and take a break
Forums are for discussion and you are actively railroading discussions, insulting people and making up false notions to justify your unstable emotionally charged comments

Grow up and go see a doctor if you are upset. We dont need your BS on forum posts. People like constructive comments. Not emotionally charged teenagers insulting them for no reason

YOU are a great example of whats wrong with WoW right now

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Yeah this goofball has been lashing out at everyone on every post for no reason just calling everyone stupid

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Yeah, I also played TBC when it was retail and you are the one that is lying. In one weekend of playing 10 hours a day I had most of the blue set farmed out. That’s about 20 hours total. I also talked to other TBC veterans and they all agree the honor gains are no where near where they were in original tbc.

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I just want to set the record straight. I’m not whining about the grind. I actually did the grind and spent hundreds of hours (post BG honor 10x bug) to get the PvP Gear and have been grinding to get the Arena gear as well.

I didn’t have a problem with the Arena Gear costs or BG gear costs. However, the issue is that they announced it was going to change, increased points to be at par with where you would have been if it started at 1500. But they havent changed it yet. Its less about how much things cost, but more about… Why would I spend what I have now, if its going to change in general.

This is the giant issue right now. All these announced changes but nothing besides increasing point gain and modifying point gain curve has been implemented. So people sitting on giant horded points, waiting for the change to come through, when they could just be spending, and PvPing.

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I just want teams to start at 1500 again. Would fix alot of participation and deflation issues.

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You ever notice how the forums are full of non stop whining from PvPrs who can’t hack it in TBC PvP?

Maybe that’s why.

Looking for the thread of angry PvE players demanding changes, oh never mind can’t find any, it’s just PvPrs being toxic crybabies about everything for not getting their way as usual.

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agreed 100%

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Lies… Lies and more lies.

The most recent PvP gear was always expensive and took a long time to grind out the honor, you probably grinded the blue set at the end of TBC in s4 when it was 3 seasons out of date and cheaper.

At the present, the blue set is the best gear you can get outside of arena, as such it is expensive, that’s how it works, that’s how it always worked.

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Bro your on like 10 different posts about 10 different issues and the only common factor in your post history is… OP must be a moron for whatever outlandish reason you state. Then someone responds and you insult them

People can look at your post history you know…You look like a straight up crazy person.
Dudes right, you should probably figure out what your major malfunction with life is because it doesnt belong on WoW forums.

If a discussion forum triggers you this bad, you shouldnt be on it

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My major malfunction is every time I come to the forums it’s just another bunch of lazy PvPrs demanding changes and coming up with reasons why they suck and why the game needs to be changed to cater to them.

Again, you thought you wanted TBC PvP, but you didn’t.

J.A.B was right, you all should have stuck to retail, the classic games were always a grindy unbalanced mess, just blows my mind you people can’t accept that.

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Now your trying to be reasonable because the comments clearly made sense to you

Hope you can chill out with the hissy fits man, if wow or the forums are creating this much turmoil for you…i would take a break

Seriously come back in a week and read some of your posts
Just looking out for you…we are all frustrated

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Again, the problem is not the points or the costs of gear, or anything like that.
The problem is announcing something will change (soon), increasing points, and then not making that change.

Why would someone spend 2k on an item, when they can spend 1k on it after the patch.
I don’t even care IF they changed anything. But they announced they did, they increased point gain, they announced item cost changes were coming soon, and now why spend when you can buy it in 2-3 weeks time for half the price you would have got it for. Even if you went up in rating because you managed to spend, you’re losing on overall amount of points. Its a lose/lose.

Personally, again, I don’t care if the item price is higher or low. I just want consistency.

My personal beliefs are that 25% increase in Honor given from BGS, and Same Faction BGS should be implemented with 0 changes in Honor Item price.

Season 2 releasing the rep gear does not matter to me, since I will be grinding for the new set of PvP gear.

Arena costs (probably) shouldn’t have decreased, but the point change was an improvement based on the start at 0 rating (but at this rate, you have starved people’s ability to buy items becuase of the announced price change - so reduce the prices like you said, and then next season just don’t…) leave the arena point change as it is, and just leave the normal Season 2 prices.

And just for the love of god release Same Faction BGS, the point costs, and imo all thats needed is a general 25% increase in honor gained (but thats the same as the general 25% decrease in honor needed for gear so whatever).

– Just be consistent