Premades having the power to vote in pugs is absurd
personally I couldnt care less if that sort is RESTRICTED in their ability to kick.
Put a 6 hour CD on the kick
THEY CLAIM they dont see kicks anywayâŚso they certainly DONT NEED more than ONE kick per 6 hoursâŚor theyre literally admitting to LYING about it and ARE kicking more than they claimâŚin which case they MUST be restricted, because theyve all pretty much admitted to abusing players by kicking for no valid reason other that âmuh canz, cuz da rulz sayz soâzâ âŚnot for any VALID reason where the player DESERVED to be kicked over HIS behavior.
BAD actors SHOULD be restricted in their ability to abuse other players.
And weâll see if it gets altered or not.
They can THINK whatever these jokers wantâŚthey laughed and said pathfinder was here to stay too lmaoâŚand we all are seeing how thats working out lmao
They said weâd NEVER have flight day oneâŚand here we are.
They said Pathfinder was just a FACT nowâŚlmaoâŚweâd NEVER fly without it ever again
They were wrong
And if Ion keeps seeing kick abuse, he might just decide these clowns need to be put under some basic controls with it.
LOL this stuff is too funny guys.
coolâŚin a second here you can tell me how funny it is being on my ignore list too 
Im sure you wont even respond given youre 100% ok with tossing people without any valid reason 
Every reason i have for kicking people is valid.
Iâve never had a problem with it. There have been times Iâve qued for content I shouldnât have and it resulted in a kick for me sucking. It felt bad but it was usually justified and corrected my ego. There have also been times mostly healing that Iâve received unrighteous blame. Sucks but itâs a rare problem thatâs part of such a system existing.
The biggest issue with the vote kick system is the same as with many things these days in WoW. People are entitled and whiny. Itâs the same people that complain about the new dungeons.
lmaoâŚguess not.
got a new fan, I spect 
To get rid of abusing tools that donât follow said social contract.
And trust me, abusive tools is subjective. the group has spoken, they do not want you there.
Iâve only ever seen people kicked for being jerks, afk, or doing stupid things despite being asked to stop, like yes, Iâve seen tanks kicked for pulling the entire first part of a dungeon, being unable to hold aggro, and the group wipes because of it.
Heh.
No. You know why they added that?
Because tanks in Wrath would sit there and demand to be kicked if they got Oculus in their random dungeon so they didnât get the debuff for leaving a dungeon they didnât want to do.
in their defense. that dungeon is an abomination that should be cast into the fiery pits of hell lol.
I dont do it if I see it either.
Literally the WORST dungeon in this entire game and I dont blame anyone who pulls out of it lol
Whoever came up with the idea for it should have been fired in the most humiliating way possible
I actually donât mind it.
Worst dungeon design goes instead, imo, to typically buggy messes or things with one shot kills. Like Dawnbreaker. That one irritates me something awful and Iâm not sure why. But oculus didnât.
It kinda readied you for the idea of vehicle combat, just like Aces High! prepped you for Malygos.
ughâŚits a witchâŚburn it 
Lol.
I just donât get what people donât like about it.
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I think if it was changed to let us use OUR flying mounts it might be a lot better.
Its that part of it that makes me hate it. Just feels horrible on the mounts. More annoying than fun.
other than that part its just a âmehâ dungeon overall.
Yes, that is classic definition of abuse. You find others misery as funny.
Surely, then you should have no issues with kicking people and removing the debuff if your sole intention was removing them as you had a valid reason. So what is with the timer ?
Not Really, the system has just not been updated to suit todays players mentality. Players now a days are not as toxic as players like 10 years ago.
You can youtube WOTK communication and see it for yourself the level of toxicity they have on MIC. that was the mentality of players this system was placed.
No issues the group has spoken, kick was issued - player is out - now what is the purpose of the timer ? Kick is issued what if a wrong player is caught in this - why do we need a timer ?
We both know this hasnt happened , you issued a kick because you could.
False - you have kicked new tanks who are in-expierenced. Sure kick them but do they really deserve a 30 min timer ? He shoulod be able to reque & if he does it again he should be under a repeat offendar.
I have pulled the whole dungeon and everyone died excpet the dps & me but I wasnt kicked. So by your logic it is group dependant - then we should not be having a timer. Since the punishment varies.
Sure - that is a repeat offender which can be easily automated.
Also want to bring the attention towards Occulus being close to 15 years ago - a lot has been developed in the system. To deal with the tanks who think they can be extra toxic.
So that is not really an argument - you are holding on to something was toxic 15 years ago. Medieval psychology.
There are multiple threads like this that show how backward your vote kicking system is .
Who is supporting this medieval psychology of not being accommodating to new players ? Only ones benefiting from this are players who are in group and abusing the power that blizzard gave them in hope that they use it sensibly.
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To punish their misbehavior and stop trolls like you from requeuing and victimizing others.
Clearly.
and they love trolling their kick abuse victims in here.
Feels like a personality flaw if you ask me.
There are far to many people I have grouped with over the years that dont think for themselves once given a choice to remove someone.
Many people immediately hit yes on the vote check as soon as the prompt is up.
Without any regard to whats even happening.
Someone goes afk on a boss or trash for a moment after saying something like, âKids screaming, brbâ, âFood in the oven is ready, brbâ.
You get these incredibly vain people that kick these people with no regard to real life.
People that will curse you out and claim purgatory for anyone that doesnt live up to latest heroic/ mythic strategy, in LFR.
Many times a week I am outright ashamed of the playerbase I get grouped with.
To the people that are in queue for half a hour, to clear a 20 minute dungeon, to really stick it out to completion. Only to be kicked by some righteous moron.
I am sorry.
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the âsocial contractâ exists so that if you don not agree with their ideology they can ban you⌠not âprotectâ players from âtoxicâ people⌠that is a scapegoat.
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Thank you Sir - you have my respect for saying it how it is. Unlike the other title holders in this thread.
Their main intention was to close the thread, like it is their job. But they never once wanted to think what are we trying to say here.
We will try to change how this works. A kick is a must, you get a player that you cannot play the game with that person needs to be removed.
But how often have we seen this miserable person. I am a tank, i have never been pushed to this extent that I cannot play with this dps. I am sure most of you will also agree if you really think about it.
That is why, I want to push more on the importance of social contract and debuff should be removed.
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