You do know you were the one that brought up the entire point of grey parsers not having a place because of the GDKP ban, right?
Pugging is not a social structure. It was never meant to be, and from the beginning people have been trying to stack their groups with whatever they thought was best, especially if it’s random people.
I literally never said this, but please enlighten me by quoting anything I said that proves otherwise.
I’ll wait…
No I am invested in botting and RMT going away. Not pointless placations.
Well so far my arguments have been with direct evidence and reasoned statements. Yours have been insults and “I bet you grey parse” which I see disappeared the moment I pointed how my logs exist and that I am hiding nothing. I’ll be putting you on ignore now. My advice is don’t break CoC and be more respectful.
WHAT IS THE SOCIAL/GUILD BENEFIT FOR BANNING GDKP. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHO IS AFFECTS AND WHERE. Not a SINGLE ONE OF YOU HAS ANSWERED THIS QUESTION. You dodge it like the plague. Because you don’t actually care.
It absolutely is. It is THE social structure next to guilds. Grouping up with other players you don’t know to do content in wow is the ONLY social aspect… What are talking about???
You have actually literally said this. Welcome to ignore as well.
Sure you are.
I’m not respecting a dude who is just a sock puppet and couldn’t be bothered to switch characters. So any log comments are sus. My advice is to not be pro cheating and associate with the seething GDKP crowd.
Should have your priest fathersealion.
Reread the entire thread. You brought up grey parsers not having a place due to the GDKP ban, I called you out on it, and now you want me to argue for the entire GDKP ban as a whole. Don’t bring up points if you don’t want to defend them.
Not when you’re joining groups for farm content that expect you to be more or less on the exact same level as them. What you’re talking about isn’t the same as the run-of-the-mill dungeon group.
Again, feel free to quote anything I said that’ll prove me wrong. But seems like you couldn’t already.
He’s getting ready to hop on another alt and agree with himself.
He got called out for being a GDKP shill and now he’s crying.
For real.
Escalated real quick from that.
For anyone that doesn’t seem to understand, there were these claims that GDKP eroded the social and guild fabrics, but so far no one else talks about HOW or where the benefits lie for that. It’s mostly just code for “A lot of people were complaining so we want to shut them up.”
The reality is there is really three types of content in WoW. PVP, Solo content (leveling, farming) and group content (raiding, dungeons, big quests).
The main focus of WoW content is raiding, and it’s the only content that GDKP existed in. So, when you’re talking about the benefits you need to understand WHAT is being impacted and the reality of who is being affected, but also why things are the way that they are.
And the answer is raiding is mostly pugs and guild runs, and so the “social” benefits are expected to be reaped there. But instead we are seeing less and less impact post ban. Less pugs, worse experiences pugging, and a continued degradation of social structures. And that is NOT a result of the GDKP ban. That would exist even without it. It’s a function completely divorced from GDKPs, because it’s related to incentive structures and how players approach this game.
The game is lootbox simulator when you really boil it down. Raiding groups have a single goal, full clear the bosses to get the loot as quickly and efficiently as possible. It doesn’t matter what kind of group you are in, that’s always the goal. And some players are willing to put up with groups that struggle or accept not clearing, but the vast majority of players don’t want to waste their lockout. They want their loot. That’s WHY they raid. And this focus on fast, easy loot and efficient runs is what is leading to the erosion of pugs and the parse mentality.
Players don’t want to risk their lockout on chance. It doesn’t matter if they are a grey parser or a top 100 parser, no one wants to have an unfinished lockout and no one wants to wipe over and over again. And it’s that incentive structure, that focus on just killing the boss and getting the loot, that has us where we are now. GDKP didn’t do that to people. It didn’t stop when GDKP was banned. And until that incentive structure gets changed, it will continue to be a part of the game.
It’s a player created problem.
Geared players don’t want to run with guilds as much when they could make good money carrying people – it’s really that simple.
sounds like someone needs a Snickers
My thoughts are that they want to curtail group formation through pugging being entirely done via discords, GDKP being one that was predominantly organized this way, I would see a lot of trade chat/LFG posts for GDKP as well but those I knew/know who did participate would say those were “bottom of the barrel bad” compared to the ones organized entirely out of game via discord.
My two cents though. I can also make a decent case for Blizzard wanting to reduce the emphasis on being paid to raid or paying for gear in raids as opposed to other loot methods.
GDKP has always been considered an “unsupported transaction” similarly to trading gold across game versions or factions. It isn’t inherently against the ToS to do, but isn’t something that CS can or will help with if you get scammed doing it. This could have social effects to communities and also obfuscates other more pressing reported issues and problems.
My two cents.
The majority of SoD players do NOT want GDKPs. They should not return.
I love that you called it 
Bro calm down, he’s not invested in it one way or the other…
Looks at the page long posts and how he’s ignoring everyone who calls him out, claims to be someone he’s not
He’s just asking questions! He demands answers!
Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity
i was just asking questions and the topic of GDKP was brought up, and it dawned on me that GDKP is likely the reason for the decline in population during phase 2 while phase 1 was thriving.
looking at numbers, Taiwan servers are doing MUCH better than NA/EU realms and that is because Taiwan servers do not have a GDKP ban.
I mean maybe? But I don’t see that as a GDKP exclusive thing. I ran a Pug discord for my Alliance Server back in Era, and there was a server discord for my other Era server for pugs that was used heavily. I don’t really see that as likely.
Also wouldn’t that still be a social structure? Just because it’s done in discord versus in game it’s still interactions between players. It’s not like forums are a great place to get groups going… just look at some of the people here.
This would be a more reasonable argument, but that also brings things back to how current loot structure incentivize less interaction and social structures not more and maybe we should address that.
Yea well they are always hands off when it comes to loot distribution. “You join the group that’s on you.” kind of a buyer beware situation because they don’t want to get into the giant mess of attempting to moderate loot distribution in groups. That’s up to the players and really should be.
do you mean the majority of current SoD players (which is like roughly 10-12 people per server)?
When Blizz talks about the social structure off the game they aren’t talking about pugging. They’re talking about Guilds and my small sample size is our Guild has seen a bump in recruiting since the ban.
Careful, he’ll just ignore you too.
Possibly. But what if a majority of players don’t want DKP as a raid loot distribution? Should we ban that?
If there’s actual problems being solved by a GDKP ban I am all for it. But so far the vast majority of people against it just want to control who gets to raid and how. And meanwhile RMT and Botting is still a big issue.
It feels so much more like they are trying to make it less visible than actually remove it. Though I am not implying they are trying to cultivate it, I doubt the team is any happier about it than we are.
This is false, evidenced by the fact that EVERY version of classic wow gravitates toward GDKP without the nanny state artificially banning it.