And they should get better at the game. Raids being the equivalent of a participation trophy is not a good thing.
You’re talking about pugging culture too, which already is disingenuous. Of course random folks don’t want to take/carry bad players. But there’s tons of guilds that don’t care about your parses, and will absolutely be fine with having grey parsers.
There absolutely is a place for those players as well.
He’s leading into the argument that GDKP helped gray parsing players find raids and it in fact “helped” the community…
Glossing over the fact that they only play with him because he’s essentially paying them.
Taking the opinions of streamers and youtubers as some sort of evidence is just silly. They have legions of people who meme follow them and funnel them everything like some weird infatuation. Hardly the norm experience.
There are plenty of guilds, including my own, that don’t really care at all about parsing as none of the content has been difficult. We decided to start playing with another guild who also has these goals going forwards in 20 mans. It’s really silly to think that gatekeeping exists outside of people who are unwilling to actually look for people playing at their speed. You wouldn’t apply to a Rank 1 guild as a gray parser and expect to get invited, but you can sure find a guild that can still down the content and not care about your parse.
GDKP was a way to know that people in your group were serious about trying. All the GDKPS I was ever a part of since 2019 only brought dedicated players and it was a good way to know a pug was going to be serious and not a raid where people bring their bad ungeared alts do nothing and win loot
It’s the “I want to put the least amount of effort in, but still raid when I want with a high level of success” mindset.
Gray parsers don’t want to play with other gray parsers. If you go watch retail LFR and you find a group with too many people just standing around they go all lord of the flies on each other.
You can literally look up my parses for retail. My parses from my classic characters (I am always an undead shadow priest named Amideus) and my main is Thaldrac, a dwarf paladin on Living Flame (US). But I guess it’s easier to insult people than address their arguments.
I don’t really care what you believe, that’s irrelevant to me. You believing or disbelieving something is irrelevant to the conversation.
It’s always funny to see an argument that basically boils down to “I want to gatekeep gear from people I think don’t deserve it” when it in no way affects you. If I see a bad player with good gear, I don’t really care. It doesn’t affect me. I don’t have to raid with that person. So many people concerned with what others have.
How is that disingenuous? That is the EXACT target demographic for the GDKP ban on a “social and guild” level. But if people aren’t creating more pugs, and doing more content, and recruiting more people what exactly is the social and guild benefit? You can simply repeat words from a post but you can’t logic out the solutions and impacts.
No, my argument is that just saying “It helps social and guild structures” without defining those structures or talking about HOW it helps them is pointless parroting, and so far the GDKP ban didn’t really solve that either. The point being GDKP had no real impact on those structures, and in fact player behavior is the biggest aspect.
I’ve literally done 5 GDKPs in my entire wow career of 20 years. Two in Wotlk, three in Classic Era, 0 in SoD. Get a new argument.
What does this even mean? What are you expecting that these players are going around in LFG “Grey Parsing Balance Druid LFG Gnomer?”
That’s not how pugging works…
They tend to sit around and watch LFG for groups being formed and then whisper to get in.
It’s not on the puggers making these decisions. You sound like you’re divorced from the entire reality of SoD grouping in general.
Why do all GDKP’ers wear flat-billed baseball hats?
I got full bwl geared on my priest for free and I still have money on her, personally I enjoyed it. I started very late into SoM so it was really nice to jump into groups of carries get very cheap free gear. Before I stopped my priest was top healing in AQ and ZG so I was making more money too from it. Sadly never got into a naxx sod was already announced and soon so I stoped at bwl
Divorced from reality as he posts as one of 3 people defending GDKP despite claiming he isn’t a GDKPer and that is good for the game.
But in the situation I just told you, it does affect the group. Pugs want to bring as many good players as they can to ensure everything gets cleared, and in a relatively good amount of time.
This has nothing to do about seeing bad players with good gear – it’s about not wanting to waste your time. And usually with the amount of DPS out there, it’s not like anyone has to take a bad player.
Because you were saying there’s no place for grey parsers, and then bringing up the only facet of the game where your parses really matter: pugging. There are plenty of guilds that will invite just about anybody, maybe even teach them how to be better players too.
It is relevant. You’re in a thread where the OP is part of a sock puppet brigade and has been proven to be disingenuous.
If you start to sound like the other “just asking questions” guys it should be called out.
“I’m not one way or the other, I’m just asking questions on why the population dropped… Could it be GDKP? Some people said it was GDKP being banned and they would return if GDKP returned… Did I mention GDKP?”
Ironic, because GDKPs look for buyers with gold who need gear. These people are either alts or people who don’t join guilds and just want to be carried to BIS. Keep dreaming though bud.
I’ve made new friends in p2 SoD. That hasn’t happened outside of raid recruitment since Mists of pandaria. I’d say socializing is up
Yes if you have engaged in the practice.
Can’t remember the posters name but,
where’s the guy that was doing the Bergelmir narrations?
Those made me laugh.
Then what impact does GDKP have on this? None. It doesn’t change this attitude. And this attitude is the reason for the erosion of social structures in SoD, not GDKP.
No, I just pointed out the main aspect of social structures in this game that would be affected by a GDKP ban. And so far you still haven’t told me how banning GDKPs leads to more healthy social and guild structures. All you have done is tell me that bad players don’t deserve gear and that it’s someone else’s problem.
If you want to be in favor of a GDKP ban be in favor of it. But know WHY and defend your arguments.
No your belief is not relevant. If you don’t want to have a conversation then don’t. And if you can’t do anything but insult me and dodge my easy questions then I will just report you and move on. It’s a simple concept.
It’s hilarious to me that the anti-GDKP players are just as toxic and rude to people as the pro-GDKP counterparts and yet they somehow feel more morally justified in acting that way. Very sad.
Let me break this down real simple for you…
A) Gray parser starts group demands really high parses.
B) Gray parser lucks out and joins a group that isn’t checking logs or expects consumes. Group has like 1 or 2 decent players and they can’t carry. Gray parser leaves after a few wipes.
So it’s just your made up view of how groups actually work. Got it.
Okay just asking questions guy.
Keep expecting info from the devs on GDKP, something you’re totally not for or against…
You’re just asking questions…
More truthful than anything you post. Be sure to get on another alt so you have someone to agree with.