Are we really supposed to believe Talanji and Tyrande are cool with the oposite faction?

A splinter group led by Zul, who they captured along with Talanji.

And who is still a prominent leader in Zandalar long after his Pandaria shenanigans.

Not really so “splintered”, are they?

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If the story mattered it would.

Blizzard tends to follow their gut which got us SLs…which was horrible.

Both of them just going back to focus on their own cities and people during peace time isn’t the same as engaging in love and friendship.

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I mean…Alliance did sorta invite him to do so, if anything we should be blaming Anduin with the logic we’re applying here.

They wouldn’t have align with Horde if Alliance didn’t push them into that position in the first place.

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The Alliance just wasn’t okay with them trying to subjugate Azeroth 5 minutes before. If that pushed them to ally with the Horde, it just speaks to the fact that the Horde don’t care about justice or protecting the planet. :man_shrugging:

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Yes.

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At that time no one knew what was the outcome to this not even the Horde,the world changed and we still never looked in the mirror to see the true enemy looking back.

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To be fair, the reason the war started was cause Talanji went looking for the Horde for aide with the Blood Trolls and the Alliance caught them shouting for the Horde. Fast forward to the Horde breaking her and Zul out of the Stockades, burning down Stormwind, and assaulting part of the Alliance navy.

I think Talanji at least somewhat realizes part of Daz’aralor or really most of it was kinda her fault (because in addition to causing the Alliance aggro initially she was also in charge of the battle in Rasta’khan’s stead and got diverted by a feign assault) and is taking responsibility for it… Tyrande… got her come-uppance in SL when she sent Sylvanas to The Maw for presumably a very long and painful grind of collectign 20 souls non-stop.

No… the war started because Sylnanas wanted elf barbecue.

All to free a prisioner that didn’t had any part in the war and was unjustified locked up.
Dazar’alor was anyones fault but the alliance, trying to shift the blame to Talanji for alliance bs is just stupid.

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What makes you think that? Lots of countries are at peace despite of what happened in the past and despite of what the individual citizen (or politician) actually thinks of the other country or the people living in it. Being allies =/= being friends and excusing all past mistakes and not holding grudges.

Yeah im not sure how people are exactly blaming talanji for dazar alor because she escaped being unjustly imprisoned.

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Its because otherwise it would make alliance look bad, and we cannot have nuance in our fantasy game can we?

Welcome to the Peacecraft dev team era

World of Friendcraft feels pretty lame.
Lore doesn’t make any sense anymore.
If the game came out in 2003 as it is in its current state, it definitely wouldn’t have lasted to be a 20 year game.

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Both sides are suppose to look like both the good guys and the bad guys. That’s how good storytelling is done right.

Na man, it’s been three years. Time. Skip. The most powerful weapon in the writers arsenal! All of your family members that I helped burn to death? That’s all water under the bridge.

They died screaming. :pensive:

Talanji needs to keep better company, because anyone rolling with Zul was going to end up in lock-up. Zul attempted global zandalari conquest not once, but twice.

If she fell into HORDE hands she’d have explaining to do, forget about the alliance. Prison was a lucky break.

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THIS. People seem to forget she was on a boat with Azeroth enemy number one after MoP, not to mention that she was shouting to speak to the Horde when captured, why WOULDN’T the Alliance capture a potential new ally of someone they’re currently at war with who is dragging in tow the most hated enemy on Azeroth?

We also have to keep in mind that Talanji did NOT do any of this on the King (her father’s) official royal decree, she defied the rightful ruler of the Zandalari empire’s direct command to NOT go seeking the Horde.

For that matter, why didn’t Talanji just hand over Zul in exchange for Alliance help? I’m sure Azerothian law probably has a plea bargain equivalent if Garrosh having a trial in Pandaria is any indication.

People forget that the Zandalari under Zul were also behind the Cataclysm era Zul Aman and Zul Gurub uprising.

He’s a mischievous little scamp, and the Zandalari are pretty lucky that The Horde and Alliance had bigger fish to fry while Zul was abroad writing checks his nation couldn’t cash.

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“Every movement of every atom up to (and probably after) nipplebot 9000’s death was planned, therefore if the factions stay mad at each other… bald man wins!”
~Danuser probably.

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