Are you trying to point out that people prefer to run 5 man content over raids? No duh, doesn’t mean that people like M+, just means that this is the easier path to gearing.
The new world progression path is going to decimate M+ participation next expansion.
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This is not a viable metric at all. The poll was done on these forums, which are inhabited by the sweatiest players among the WoW population. Ironic that Classic hardcore almost had as many votes and we can see by the population of hardcore this is a niche community, yet it came in 3rd place in the poll.
It’s the only content in the game where you have to play your entire class, use your entire kit - cc, dps dispels, reactively using defensives, etc .
It’s weird that every guild I’ve ever been in you could pretty much stack rank players by IO score and stack rank them by their skill and the two lists would be identical.
M+ is the best way to practice and get better at playing your character. Compared to raid where you can get dragged through by your guildies, M+ has a ton of individual resonsibility.
there’s no doubt that the casual population is bigger than M+ and raiding combined, and that the world-tier participation will likely eclipse both.
but consider me skeptical that the weekly world boss, pet collectors and niffen dig puzzle solvers were the same people running +15’s at 11x the rate of raid participation.
PvP is a gimmick, ripped from an ARPG.
Except people still play ARPG’s
No need to get hostile. They’re pretty similar yeah. I do less PVP so I didn’t think to mention it, but yeah compared to raid, M+ and PVP are the best ways to get better at the game.
It seems like you’re totally blinded by your grudge against M+ though. It is immensely popular.
Even this expac where heroic raid gear is now better than ever there are multiple million characters doing M+ every season. Literal millions. Compared to PVP participation I’d bet M+ is 10-20x the population.
Right, because they’re being forced into this content.
The amount of people that actually like M+ is probably extremely low. Running the same dungeons over and over again is just a straight boring MMO experience.
You guys can try to force this narrative that people love M+, but when the new world progression path drops, M+ is going to finally be regulated to the niche content it should have been in the first place.
I can’t wait to drink up all the tears from people complaining they can’t find players to run that crap content.
In all my 20 years of MMO gaming, I have never experienced a more boring, soulless and toxic system like I have with M+.
M+'s popularity is grossly exaggerated by the small minority of posters that spend way too much time posting on these forums.
PVP has been in the game since launch my dude. Was a huge part of older MMOs too. You guys need to get out of your WoW bubble.
Now, back to the topic at hand here, like I said, you can’t balance 5 man dungeons around 39 specs and achieve interesting class play and have balance. It is impossible.
PVP has the same issues.
Right, I’m the biased one here. Drops into a forum and claims that a certain activity is just universally praised by the player base. Sheesh, your ego here is just crazy.
It was the most popular response in the official Blizzard poll that got put out with 10s of thousands of responses. Millions of characters running it every season since its inception.
I’m betting it will be popular still in 11.0.
I’m glad they’re adding world content too though. I hope it’s challenging so I can watch very bad players like you seething mad that you can’t make it through the delves.
Where have I had “ego”? All I said was that it’s the most popular content in the game and by EVERY SINGLE VERIFIABLE SOURCE it’s true. Find me hard numbers that M+ is unpopular. I’ll wait.
I’m not saying that M+ isn’t widely popular… but if you’re talking about the forum poll, that’s highly inaccurate, as people could continually vote on their alts.
Show me any real data that proves M+ is unpopular.
You can look at RaiderIO and see the MILLIONS of characters that have done M+ this season, last season, and all seasons before that.
Sorry you feel so mad about M+, but it’s more popular than raid and PVP by a lot. It isn’t close. Numbers prove it. It seems your feelings about M+ are leading you to make these irrational statements about it…
Ion said on average people have 3 characters. So if every single person who ran M+ this season did 3 alts. That still makes 1.1million people who ran keys this season. 1.1 million.
Most estimates put subs at like 2 million.
Nah you just said “M+ is the most toxic system”. Which to me just says you are really bad at the game. Like keyboard turn, click on abilities bad.
And yet the MDI has almost no baring on live keys because the format is completely different. People were playing unholy dk feral druid in DF season 1 MDI.
I know this thread got bogged down in a bunch of other arguments but the original OP was talking about every team in blizzcon’s M+ clash running the same comp. I was just pointing out this is nothing new (specific to tournaments).
And this is what most M+ defenders resort to when they get challenged on their silly assumptions. Come PVP with me, and we will see if you actually have real skill.
M+ content is a joke compared to PVP, you probably couldn’t even win an arena skirmish.
I’ve casually gotten 1600 a few times and it took me less than a day. PVP doesn’t really interest me. I don’t want it removed from the game though and I accept that some people like it.
Isn’t that a novel mentality?
They are different. I’m sure you would be dead 100+ times in a high key, but I would be competitive with you in PVP.
