I think Blizzard is operating on the basis of not sharing info unless it’s concrete to make sure not to upset people until they make their statements which if I guess will be like a month before release.
I doubt they will tell us what options they are considering because chances are there will be a choice you want and a choice you hate. People never like seeing the choice they hate gets picked over the one they want.
Most of you would be better off, forgoing all info, just coming back when it is released and starting from there. You might have a better time of it.
Some of us would like to think that fighting for a certain version of things will help blizzard make decisions.
When has Blizzard ever given step by step updates? Most game devs don’t do step by step micro updates, they wait until there’s sum of progress that’s worth writing in one large post otherwise it’s gonna be pretty lackluster and nobody is gonna care. I bet if they updated us right now it’d be something along the lines of “we’ve finished fixing the lights in westfall now we’re adding all the NPC’s to duskwood and ashenvale”. Better off waiting several months then posting “hey we’re over half way finished with every zone now here’s a detailed description of issues we had and how we fixed them and our plans moving beyond this”…I thoroughly enjoy those technical posts because it gives us a huge look into how the game itself functions, I much rather see more of those than be frequently updated with small info.
Been wrong before but I don’t think we’re gonna get anything until 6 months or less to launch. Then I imagine not too long after we’ll get a month and day.
Using AV as an example, let’s say they did decide to go with 1.5 over all the other versions, and they announced that. What if there was some reason they were unable to get it into the game and they had to use 1.12? The why is irrelevant for now, the point is that a lot of people would be very upset about it.
Alternatively, if they say nothing and can’t get 1.5 to work, a lot less people will be upset and those that are won’t be as upset.
As much as people want updates to things, Blizzard has learned over the years that they are better off just keeping their mouths shut. If over the past decade and a half players had acted more civilly, then this wouldn’t be the case. If people want to have a more open Blizzard, then they need to stop being so damn hostile. Maybe with some manners and courteousness we could get a talkative Blizzard again in another fifteen years or so.
We don’t even know if they’re considering anything other than 1.12. If they’re not, they could say that. What’s the harm? It’ll eliminate pointless threads. Will people be upset? Sure, but that announcement is eventually going to happen so…why wait? Unless they haven’t decided, which 6 months from release would be a little weird.
Point is when they announced Classic they talked about having a dialogue with the playerbase. Has there been any dialogue? Any back and forth? Asking players’ opinions on any particular issue? It’s basically…“We read the forums.” Which may or not be true. But with no guidance we don’t even know which issues are even under consideration.
I’m not even saying we should have any input. But the game is relatively close to release, and it just seems like we should know more about it than we do.
I’m not going to lie, when you say you’re going to have a dialogue and then there is no dialogue, it’s kind of lame.
Anyone has to admit that the launch of Classic WoW is unique. It’s different than any launch they’ve had before. In previous instances, they would be discussing ideas and features that no fan had any information about because it was all brand new. That’s different in Classic. The things being discussed are all versions of content that we not only already know, but we’ve already played. There isn’t much of a surprise to be had here. No big reveals. Instead of talking about what will be created on a fresh canvas, we’re talking about which already-complete canvas will be chosen.
The launch of Classic WoW is different, and so should be their pre-launch dialogue.
You could literally tell us all, right now, the exact version of every vanilla feature we’re getting, and it’s not going to kill the hype for this game. And yes I know they don’t know every version this is just an example that vanilla hype is not about the unknown, it’s about revisiting a world we love. And if we’re going to be apart of this dialogue like was mentioned, then why can’t we know what is on the table?
At the end of the day, I’m starting to see our “inclusion” as a way to make us believe we’re apart of the picture. In true Activision fashion, the only part of us that’s in the picture is our dollar.
I totally get what you’re laying down here, but I think if they put it “We would like to have version 1.5 of Alterac Valley up and running at launch, but there are some potential roadblocks that may cause this to change>”, I think we can live with that. Yes, you’re going to have some VERY vocal people complaining literally no matter what they do, but giving people some idea would be very welcome.
Keeping their mouths shut?
Do you mean like they did when they tried to sneak sharding into the demo?
Expecting any person, on any topic, in any industry, to not be hostile is a fool’s errand.
To quote Terry Pratchett: “You need to believe in things that aren’t true. How else can they become?”
I wrote a long explanation of how I feel, about how the inability to give us specifics on result doesn’t mean they can’t give us information on intent, then I scrolled up and saw my feelings summed up succinctly in one sentence.
We want to know that our concerns and feedback are at least being heard. We don’t want to find out in six to nine months that this was the equivalent of a suggestion box that feeds directly into a paper shredder.
Well, there’s going to be no bgs at launch anyway. ![:wink:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/wink.png?v=6" ":wink:")
But again, using AV as an example I would just like to know if it’s even a consideration as to which version they’ll use. I feel like most people are more accepting of getting bad news, rather than being kept in the dark.
Wow, yeah. The quote from Odinmar is exactly how I feel. Perfect quote for the current situation.
i was referring to the fact he said there is nothing new to share. but nice rant. tldr.
This was likely never the case. Ever.
If we had it our way, they would have been using the 1.12 client from pservers and using the same macro API. Neither of those are the case, and we were not “consulted” on either choice. I believe they will do what they can to make it as close as they can get, but I don’t actually believe that we are swaying these decisions very much, if any at all.
To even get this project okayed and funded they probably had to agree to a certain setup/structure to begin with.
who would they upset?
look at it logically;
modern players asking for modern changes that do not belong in a remake of vanilla> doesnt get their way; what do you think they will do? cry about it, throw salt and then go right back to retail where they can get all of that already.
the thousands of vanilla (private or otherwise) players who have demanded for that remake> doesnt get what they want; what do you think they will do? exactly. they ditch wow and blizzard completely.
its pretty clear what the correct (and smart) direction is. and thats the direction they will go and made clear they are going that direction and if people dont like it, BFA is waiting for them.
there is zero gain and absolutely NO loss, when pandering to a crowd that already has everything it wants.
but the other way around. there is a lot to lose but a lot to gain.
For example lets say Blizzard comes in saying right now 1.12 AV is what they have but they’re looking into earlier editions but they haven’t got them working.
It comes launch time and Blizzard just rolls with 1.12 AV. People will be upset.
Another example being rescaling, i.g. scaling with the content how it was originally introduced. What if Blizzard confirms no to this tomorrow? A lot of people will be upset.
Blizzard confirms that sharding will indeed be in the first few weeks. This will cause more people being upset.
Blizzard confirms Dire Maul will be available day 1 of launch.
There are a lot of examples Blizzard can come out with that will cause people being upset if it isn’t what they want.
I’d rather they take their time. If that means summer '19 gets pushed to winter '19. That’s fine as long it’s as close to Vanilla as possible.
Waiting patiently…for now.
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as far as the first example, that is (as i have said)- the fault of anyone who has unfounded expectations. until something is clarified, leave it alone.
your comment really boils down to a lot of unfounded expectations by players. and i am not one of them.
set your hopes and expectations on a realistic level and it wont result is such things.
to add; no one but you, causes disappointment. being let down is because you had your nose a little to high in the air and expected more than you should have gotten.
prepare for the worst, expect nothing and take everything with a grain of salt.