WRONG! If you are using imp exposed armor, which you should be, then the prot warriors already mediocre threat will get far worse.
This is why any sensible good guild will have the feral MT. Then you wonder, what’s the point of the gimp warrior?
Looking at the beta runs from others rogues don’t really seem to be low dps like a lot of people thought.
They were pumping in kara and mags.
Also the runs in Mags lair where groups were wiping for hours were melee light, they had way less kicks.
Rogue doesn’t seem to be bad so I think I’d atleast put rogue ahead of warrior.
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Why does everyone hating on warriors want to act like Battle Shout doesn’t exist? It’s a good buff. Every melee and tank is going to want it. If a raid doesn’t have at least two warriors (including prot), it is missing out on a significant buff.
Fury warriors will be right there with shamans (rogues, too), and right below mages. All else being equal, they will be doing significantly more damage than the other hybrid classes like boomkin, shadow priests, ret pallies, and arms warriors, IMO.
At some point most of the buffs are covered, and it’s time to mix a few players in there to receive all those buffs. Sure, you could just stack more and more hunters and warlocks, but not everyone wants to play those classes.
And lot of the hunters and warlocks running around will be bad players, who are playing the FotM class in hopes that raid leaders will overlook how terrible they are and give them a slot. But a smart raid leader will take a good fury warrior or rogue over a bad hunter/warlock.
Anyway, at the end of the day, 3-4 warriors per raid will be common, IMO, and most will have at least two. That’s my prediction. As much as some people would like it to be true, warriors in TBC are not meme specs, sorry.
You’ll find a spot if you look around enough. It’ll be harder then most classes but you can find a raid spot in a guild that doesn’t care to much about the class more so the player. If you want to play warrior then play it. You’ll just have to find the right guild.
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They aren’t meme they just aren’t good.
They won’t be right behind mages either or rogues.
They are bottom tier dps.
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Feral isn’t easy to play in TBC so I doubt you see many Ferals.
You will see bears tho as they’re simple to play
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Yeah, Melee was not very big in this expansion in general for PvE.
Also the runs in Mags lair where groups were wiping for hours were melee light, they had way less kicks.
You might check the parses to see what the Shaman were doing on those groups. My suspicion is that the answer is “not their job of interrupting”.
It won’t be as hard as some people make it sound. Lots of guilds are made up of friends that don’t treat each other like numbers on a spreadsheet. Join up. Make friends. Run heroics and prove you’re a good player. Then, show up on time on raid night.
It’s the 1% “no fun allowed” guilds that have 50+ people fighting over 25 raid spots where this “benching” thing happens. Most guilds aren’t like that. The 1% is called 1% for a reason.
I think you’re flat out wrong, or more likely just trolling. But we shall see.
Again, not everyone wants to play FoTM warlock or hunter, and most guilds aren’t going to stack 12-15 of those two classes, just like most didn’t stack 25 warriors in Classic vanilla. Which leaves openings for other classes, and a good fury warrior will hold his own against the other classes.
This is true but as I said it’ll still be harder then other classes. Warriors will still be very popular as it always has been even before classic. He’ll find a group just won’t be as easy as other classes.
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I’m not disputing that, just saying that some posters here seem to think it will be nigh-impossible, not just a bit harder. =P
Oh yes, there will be groups available. I just want anyone looking at the Warrior and expecting the Classic level of DPS king to be ready for the shock of not being that.
They will be in the top 5 DPS classes for sure and will find groups, but the Warlocks and Hunters are going to be the Top DPS slots this go around.
Their the same ones that said you couldn’t find a group as a warrior in classic simply cause the popularity of them lol
Yup! I refuse to let some warrior… or warlock beat me! (hunter master class!!!) lol
Warriors, like Rogues will find groups. They are acceptable DPS. But due to the OP nature of Warriors in Classic, there is going to be a surplus of them. TBC is going to be flooded with a truck ton of Mediocre melee DPS and unless you respec tank, you are going to be low on the priority list.
It’s not that it was hard to find a group as a Warrior in Classic. It’s just that it was hard to find a group as a Warrior in Classic if you weren’t willing to tank. If you were, it was largely trivial.
It was the same for any hybrid. Keep an int set and slap it on when needed and you can find any group.
just play whatever is fun my guy. “wont get a spot” lol just like in classic you “wouldnt get a spot” in raids as you can 4 main onyxia and beat molten core with nothing but 30 mages. assume TBC will be just as big of a joke difficulty wise and play whats fun - ignore all the meta slave neckbeards overcomplicating a 20 yr old game
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This is well stated I feel like.
For the most part I played a Rogue in TBC, and even as a Rogue it was always
“LFM ranged xxx”
When I was also playing a shaman at the end of TBC, even I would never invite a dps warrior to my raids or groups, simply because ranged did such a better job, and limited spots.
Will it be the same this time around? No idea.
And no, I don’t hate warriors, they were awesome in vanilla…just not so much in TBC.
Improved expose armour so /bye sunders
I played a warrior in TBC but as prot, then switched to Fury T6 onwards when our gear actually made us competitive. Will you get a spot in a super meta community, maybe /shrug, depends who you’re trying to raid with and how sweaty they are.