One Arms maybe for the debuff(s). Maybe. Arms DPS is really bad though. I remember during TBC that DW Arms was kind of a thing because even that did more DPS than 2h, I think. But I could absolutely be wrong.
I didn’t say it would be.
Depending on fight, they’ll compete with Rogues and Mages for the top spots below Warlocks and Hunters which are in a league of their own.
I didn’t say they were going to do the same ridiculous comparative DPS that they did in Classic. This is literally not an argument I’ve made.
Warriors are better raw DPS than the majority of specs/classes. It’s just the utility those classes bring often outweigh their lack of damage.
Are those dps numbers just boss averages or do they include trash? All those numbers look very low compared to what the guys on beta were pulling with non pre-BiS template gear in the T4 content. For instance Bean pulled 3.7K dps on aran as a hunter…
He didn’t really say they’d be the best, though. Just that it’s a good option. Fury is a much better choice and does respectable DPS later in the expansion.
Comparing anyone to Warlock/Hunter just isn’t fair.
Beta is a bit wacky, but overall those rankings are not accurate. We also just learned private servers over-tuned glancing blows, which is a huge nerf to melee.
I think it’s all too soon to say. Far as I can tell, there really wasn’t a speedrunning meta/culture on TBC pservers. The pservers also weren’t super consistent or accurate with their tuning.
It will also skew depending on if BM hunters end up being more popular than more magical DPS. If people decide that three huntard groups is the best way to go, then there’s also going to be more spots for warriors just for battle shout alone. Not saying this will happen, just that none of us really know how things will shape up late game.
Warriors will end up top dps for most raids. End game raids are a melee paradise. Rogues, enh shamans, arms warriors, and even fury will always be at or near the top. You can expect at least 3 warriors in every 25 man raid and 2 in 10. They are the most popular class in tbc. You’ll see a prot, fury, and arms warrior in the 25 mans. Also they are good with some combos in arena as well. Moral of my rant is they are great in tbc don’t believe the trolls.
Sorry to burst your bubble there, but Warriors will not be top DPS this Expansion. They will never be able to keep up with Warlocks and Hunters throughout TBC. It is just a fact. TBC was and will be a Warlock and Hunter expansion when it come to Raid DPS.
As was explained before, it’s a trickle down effect. We aren’t obsessed with the meta, we’re concerned over our position due to others obsessed with the meta
Exactly. It’s the same issue faced by people in classic. I’m not obsessed with the meta. I suppose I could have tried to find a naxx raid spot as a boomie. I mean, it’s possible, there are boomkins who’ve killed KT. Still, it would have been much harder to find a decent raid that would have taken me as a boomkin. I would have also had to deal with all the salty mages and locks if I tried to roll on ‘their’ gear.
I could see warriors being concerned. I personally wouldn’t want to be the guy getting meme’ed on, relegated to being the buff/debuff boi, and having to be the low guy on the totem pole for highly contested gear like DST. Oh wait, I just described ferals in classic lol. Not even being salty when I say that - I truly don’t want to see my warrior bros unhappy if the meta shapes up against them.
Just want to point out that, if you read the description, that link has NO data from Black Temple or Sunwell, which is most of the late phase content.
Also, that one link deriving its charts from 2007-2008 legacy data seems to be the primary source for all things “this class will rule, that class will suck” in TBC. I wouldn’t treat it as absolute gospel. Some things in Classic TBC will be be different in how they play out. The games will not be exactly the same and new player metas will also change outcomes, just like they did in Classic vanilla.
Yeah, but new player meta and slight differences are not going to magically move Warriors from 6th or 7th place to the top of the list. Maybe they will jump a spot or two and end up in the top 5, but the top 3 spots will never have a Warrior.
I don’t think comparing TBC warriors to Classic vanilla’s broken meme specs like boomkin or enh shaman is a good comparison. No specs in TBC are THAT broken. Fury warriors aren’t going to be doing less dps than the tanks.
In TBC, it looks like it will be basically warlocks and hunters at the top, and everyone else a knotch below that. And for me it boils down to this… I want to dps, but I don’t want to play a hunter or a warlock… and after those two classes, fury warrior is as good a choice as any, IMO. We will likely be right there among the best of the rest in damage output.
I tend to agree with you, and I think the predictions of warriors sucking are premature. I think a lot of it is some residual saltiness from fury warriors being brokenly OP in classic lol.
The days of having 18 warrior raids are coming to an end, but I think DPS warriors will be more than capable.
It’s not a good idea to look at warrior performance in early and mid game. They’re late bloomers, and blizz messes with warrior rage gen. We’ll soon be sitting in late game farming the same content as always, the warriors will be fully geared, and the focus will shift from progression to speed/parses. I think this is when warriors will find their place.
Don’t forget Warriors have the ability to throw on a shield and taunt when MT/OT dies.
Also provides raid with +4% more physical damage taken by boss.
Rogues, too. IEA is superior to Sunder, and Devastate isn’t used/needed because of how easy threat is to come by. Also first guild to beat TBC only managed when they had a rogue spec IEA for the final boss.
The only difference between bringing melee or not in TBC is that your healers might finish the fight with 45% mana instead of 60%, and have less uptime with wanding etc.
You sound like you play whatever people tell you “is the best”. A lot of warriors are just rerolling locks. Warriors aren’t bad and honestly prot tanking is still solid. It’s just not gonna be this sickening meta where 30-50% of a raid consists of a single class in a game that has 9.
A Warrior not in Prot spec is not going to fair well in TBC raids, shield or not. That may have been viable in Classic, but in TBC, not so much. They will get smashed into pulp in seconds.
But it’s not. The next choice is a mage for pure dps, then a shaman for good dps and great buffs to the caster/melee, boomkin for that sweet FF, IS, Crit aura, Improved MotW, Paladins for all the great buffs they have, Spriest for the mana batteries that they are. Then at the bottom of the list bringing almost no utility or buffs to the raid is pure cat, Rogue, and fury war.