Not really. I often get into great pug groups. The way open world quests work now, is you don’t need a group. Everyone can tag the same mogs if same faction. This helps aoe/ range players more than mele.
Classic players are toxic, too. Classic has streamers. Streamers are toxic.
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we are having vastly different experiences in classic then
Proof that you haven’t played “retail” in more than 2 years.
If you are part of a group you dont need yo trade anything, your conjured food just turns into someonething everyone can click and get their stuff. This change happened 9 years ago.
Are you always this hypersensitive?
This is a myth. I played 7 hours a day in vanilla and saw MAYBE 2 people go out of their way to be come such a nuisance that even a couple of guilds put them on “the list”. What did you do in Vanilla, stand in IF /yelling"Joe Blow is a jerk dont group with him!!"? No… it hardly happened and when it did, it was not a death sentence like everyone pretends it was.
I mean… I remember this happening.
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I honestly think the retail community has grown nicer over the years. I talk in general quite a bit lately, usually asking questions cause Nazjatar is a huge mess and people are pretty friendly. Lots of jokers on the general chat too, but more good natured rather than mean. Could be because I’m on an RP server though and they’re all pretty friendly.
Back in the day I only played on PVP servers so that could have also been a factor as to why everyone was a prick.
People should just be nice because they want to be nice. People shouldn’t need to depend on a imaginary boogy man to act nice to each other. It’s a social crutch and we desperately need to out grow it. Slipping backwards into fear based morals makes the world harder for everyone. It allows for countless atrocities to be glazed over because those with enough power can gang up and get away with it. It divide’s us all and silences the meek.
I’ve seen plenty of “toxic” groups when in the melee/spell cleave.
People throw the term “toxic” around so casually - as if every negative interaction is “toxic”.
Also classic is a very different game from retail. Retail is all about the go-go-go mentality (M+), personal loot, etc. and encourages little to no player interaction.
You can’t then turn around and try to blame a group of solo/speed conditioned players for only caring about their velocity and own personal gain.
fair enough, i edited. 
this generation of gamers are more toxic then ever.
I dunno, some players in classic are nice.
I’ve met plenty of people who are jerks and play classic two.
Honestly both pools overlap a fair bit.
Eh to be honest no they are about the same. It’s just you need to be nice in general in classic cause there are fewer people available for you to play with since its all server limited.
Also you kind of have to go out of your way to do things that are a default in retail. I.e. mob tagging. In classic tags aren’t shared unless in a party. So to get credit for stuff as a group you MUST be in a party. In retail there’s a shared tag between those in the same faction and rares are for everyone. So I don’t have to go out of my way to be nice in retail cause it’s built in, if that makes sense.
Also I don’t have to spend like an hour forming a group like in classic. Sometimes if there is downtime I’ll chat with party members, but if we’re doing a key that’s like go time not chat time.
I’ve also come across butt faces in classic. For example I was doing a simple “call to arms” cause Alliance were killing all the npcs in the Barrens. Had like 7 people respond approximately with “lol what you want us todo, you noob, got ganked by alliance, lolz, go kill urself”. And 0 people wanted to form a group to fight off the alliance. So eh.
You have a reputation to worry about in Classic. There are blacklists for people who are toxic
I have dealt with more, lets say, people on the extreme ends of behavior in Classic than in Retail.
When you get to interact with a nice person in Classic, they really want to help and have a lot of patience; many times they even want to make friendships. At the same time, I have faced many toxic players… They will tag your mobs for no reason, ignore you, let you die slowly to take stuff, ninja loot and kick you out at first chance for better players.
At Retail, people tend to be non-interactive most of the time. That’s the main issue… Sometimes I ask myself if they are not bots. I still get to make some friends and talk to nice people who just want to chat and have fun, tho.
For now.
Reputation wasn’t the cure-all people like to claim it is. Back in Vanilla, there were plenty of people whose behavior was ignored because they were good at their role, were in a progressive guild, or were good at poaching players for their guild.
I find the gaming community in general to be pretty negative-- Non matter what Game I’m playing.
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My experience has been the opposite. Retail players just general don’t talk, in classic people are extremely toxic. I haven’t seen an online community as bad as this ever and I play shooters on Xbox live pretty often.
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There are very fine people on both sides.
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