it’s been confirmed through developer AMA that pvp was only even added to the game due to toxic misunderstanding of fight club so, considering the source, probably fair to say pvp is implemented on pvp servers in a toxic fashion.
Citation needed.
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Listen, I’ve played on PVP servers throughout my WOW life, including now. The dying once issue is not the problem. The constant camping is.
For example, yesterday I was running through Stonetalon to Desolace. As I’m running through Charred Vale, there are lots of Horde around 6-7 lvls below me. I do not touch them, as that serves no useful purpose. I just want to get to my destination. This hunter, I think he was same lvl or 1 higher, kills me. I run back, carefully rez, and of course his pet is on me and kills me immediately. Ok, I run back and look around. He is setting a trap around my body. Now, if I am inexperienced or unused to this, this might be discouraging. As I am neither, I simply jump around with him, sorta posses his body for a bit, go to the bathroom (#2) and come back. Rez and run to where I’m going, as he of course lost interest. Now, there is no honor system yet, so killing me has no purpose. I consider this a minor inconvenience, but someone else might get discouradged.
The point is, it’s not all a matter of a simple rez and keep going. Camping is not unusual, but actually almost par for the course.
Now I play on PVP servers because I find PVE servers lacking ppl who like BGs. This is why I put up with this nonsense. Some ppl don’t feel like doing that. I don’t share their opinion, but I understand it.
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That seems like something you made up… like just now.
Care to provide a source?
As I mentioned above, most of the WoW devs were huge into Everquest. I was an Ultima Online man myself.
The original plan for WoW was no horde or alliance factions. Everyone could group with everyone and hold hands and cumbaya! I didn’t fancy that idea much having come from PvP heavy UO so I wrote this manifesto about the importance of PvP in an MMO and sent it to Allen. I was the weirdo for sure. In the manifesto I let it all hang out. I quoted Fight Club…“how much can you know about yourself if you’ve never been in a fight?”.
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Because you are “toxic and immature”
Not sure quite how you came to your conclusion for that, but much thanks for the citation.
I just figured it was since WoW was based on a game that did nothing but revolve around faction conflict.
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Yeah… I just read that whole AMA answer… that is hardly “pvp was only even added to the game due to toxic misunderstanding of fight club” as you claimed.
You conventionality forgot to quote all the other reasons he wanted PvP… it was hardly just a misunderstanding of fight club lmao I don’t get why you latched onto that one quote so hard.
“I talked about personal growth opportunities that arise from online PvP experiences. I reminded him that World of Warcraft had the word War right in the name. I reminded him that the game is the direct descendant of the game Warcraft, Orcs vs. Humans. War was in this world’s DNA. to not include it in WoW was a giant mistake. We had to have two factions at odds from the beginning.”
But no… they mentioned fight club once… so that’s the only reason WoW PvP exists.
Yeah… that’s an absurd stretch to take that AMA as meaning WoW’s PvP only exists because of a “toxic misunderstanding of fight club”
Like they reference it once with a quote… how does that mean that is the entire reason for it existing.
That is, quite frankly, an insane interpretation of that AMA.
This is the toxic misunderstanding.
The rest of it is a different subject so wasn’t relevant.
There were exactly 2 people invested in getting pvp introduced to world of warcraft, the author of this manifesto and the guy he sent it to. You would know this if you read it beyond the segment I clipped and 5 lines above and below.
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In my 12 years of experience on a PvP server I can safely say I can count the number of times I’ve actually been camped on one hand.
Camping to me doesn’t count unless the person is deliberately killing you, sitting there by your body waiting specifically for you to rez, and then continually killing you over…and over…and over.
If the person is questing there or grinding in a specific area and you so happen to come in contact with them and they kill you and you stick around, they are not camping you. You’re just being a moron and sticking around a situation you know isn’t favorable for you.
That said I understand there are some people that will camp you without reason. But those people are rare.
How is that a toxic misunderstanding?
There is personal growth that comes from online PvP… that feeling of getting better as you learn a game, and learn your opponents, is very satisfying.
It seems like you just personally don’t like PvP and are reaching for anything to prove that it’s “toxic” inherently.
Yeah if you’re stupid you can grow to be both stupid and mean.
Real good personal growth lmao
I read the whole AMA in fact.
And nowhere has anyone but you tried to claim a fight club quote is the reason for it existing.
can I recommend you learn to read?
What?
Are you legit trying to say that PvP activities can’t ever promote positive personal growth?
It’s not gonna happen in open world pvp. After 15 year this should be patently obvious.
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In wpvp you can stand up and defend someone else, someone you even dont know, who is in “danger” and fight for what you think is right to do. That sound like some kind of personal growth.
You can argue “but its not real”
Well, when someone kill and camp other player, even not real, people claim that is a psycho of some kind. Why it whouldt apply for positives things also?
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You don’t know that.
Or have you talked to every person who took part in world PvP over the years?
Everyone reacts differently to everything. Some people get motivated by being ganked, some get discouraged. Some people get their jollies off on gloabling low level players, some feel bad about it after they fact. It’s entirely possible for someone to change too, someone who enjoyed honorless ganking might over time grow to realize it’s not a good thing and change… some might even call that “personal growth”.
We’re getting off base here though. Nowhere in that AMA did it say that PvP only exists in WoW due to a “toxic misunderstanding of a fight club quote” as you so absurdly claimed. From that AMA, PvP exists in WoW because Kevin Joran believed PvP was a fun/crucial part of MMOs. He wrote a manifesto explaining the many reasons why that was, and Allen agreed with his points.
How can you read all that, then point to one single quote as the entire reason for PvP being added? He wrote an entire manifesto detailing all the reasons he thinks PvP would be good for the game… and you latch onto 14 words from a movie as the whole reason!?
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