Are people going to take DPS Ferals now or?

[Mobikon-atiesh]

@Synsha-sargeras

Um… I doubt the validity of this statement. Heck I was a complete noob in TBC (the expac I started playing), didn’t even hit max, and even I knew powershifting was a thing.

Just ask for proof?

Haha, I love the back and forth you guys have and never do something as simple as verification of what you’re being told.

Then again, I warned you that you were just wasting your time earlier by continuing. There’s really nowhere this conversation can go since this post was made:

Feral Druid Update

TLDR: We’re bringing back WoW Classic Feral Druid powershifting by moving Druid Energy regeneration to the constant 2-second slow tick loop. Cat Druids will receive 20 Energy every 2 seconds, their Energy will never get a partial tick outside of that 2-second loop, and with careful timing, they can receive their full 20 energy regeneration tick immediately after shifting. We’ve been discussing Druid Energy regeneration a lot the last few weeks. There has been a great deal of community discuss…

Does it really matter who does or doesn’t know about “powershifting” ? Apparently, enough people knew about it and made a stink about it that Blizzard decided to go through with a #SomeChanges.

[Beastfury-anathema]

@Mobikon-atiesh

Does it really matter who does or doesn’t know about “powershifting” ? Apparently, enough people knew about it and made a stink about it that Blizzard decided to go through with a #SomeChanges.

Nah they never supported powershifting it was an exploit. What proof? Fasc said it 100+ times, must be true.

[Elisande-earthfury]

Srry my guild runs 17 hunter dps no room

[Mobikon-atiesh]

@Beastfury-anathema

Nah they never supported powershifting it was an exploit.

The post is there for everyone to read. This section in particular:

@Kaivax

Our implementation of the authentic regeneration behavior, combined with the removal of spell batching, has caused a persistent timing issue for Druids and we’d like to try a straightforward solution. With a hotfix that we’ve now deployed to our PTR environment, we’re testing moving Druid Energy regeneration back to a 2-second cycle that is unaffected by regeneration rate changes.

This should result in Cat Druids receiving Energy at a more constant rate, and additionally, Druids can once again powershift by timing their shapeshifts to optimize their Energy use. After this change, Druids should (almost) never receive less than 20 Energy in a single regen tick.

I added emphasis.

Nothing else that guy says matters. The decision has been made.

Anything else coming out at this point is just bitterness. Nothing will change. Blizzard will not walk this back.

[Alethos-sulfuras]

@Fasc-atiesh

Given the kind of gear the Bear and Cat share, notably Tier 4 gear and even weapons, there’s not actually a ton of daylight between the two.

You are kind of overlooking the obvious part of my post. There’s a ton of cat/bear parses where the primary role of a given Cat parse was OT, and the primary role of a given Bear parse was DPS.

It’s the only class that functions this way on most fights.

Like, if you wanted to compare Warlock and Mage parses on Twins, you couldn’t just pick out an average or compare percentiles because aroundnhalf of the Warlocks aren’t really performing a role that parses.

[Beastfury-anathema]

@Mobikon-atiesh

The post is there for everyone to read. This section in particular:

It was sarcasm lol. The trollol you argued against was saying that for a month.

[Mobikon-atiesh]

@Beastfury-anathema

It was sarcasm lol.

I realize it. As I said above, he’s been on my ignore list for months.

[Fasc-atiesh]

@Alethos-sulfuras

You are kind of overlooking the obvious part of my post. There’s a ton of cat/bear parses where the primary role of a given Cat parse was OT, and the primary role of a given Bear parse was DPS.

Oh I agree, but this typically skews people trying to parse while being a Bear rather than people trying to parse while being a Cat for most of the fight. I do myself no favors for a Cat parse by going Bear.

However, WCL seems to be separating out those kinds of parses as “Warden” parses.

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/1008#boss=650&class=Druid&spec=Warden

The few that exist like this are using a mix of Bear and Cat abilities. The 2nd highest Warden Druid on Gruul did most of their damage with Cat abilities, but Lacerate/Maul/Swipe/Mangle (Bear) are all present as well.

Suffice to say, any Cat parse is actually just Cat abilities.

EDIT: A similar category exists for Gladiator Warriors, or Warriors who are Protection but go full DPS mode.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

@Growlingbear-earthfury

@Ziryus-doomhammer

it doesn’t put up good numbers

At this point please stop trolling. PS is way better damage than not. Also it’s not just shred over and over. Mangle buffs shred and rip by 30% so managing that is prio then making sure rip @5 points doesn’t fall, watching for omen procs and managing mana to shift. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Kitty dps is not good in TBC and never was, that’s not an opinion it’s simply the reality of the spec.

If some people are happy about getting energy changed back because they feel like the rotation is better more power to them. It doesn’t change how well or rather how poorly kitty actually dps’s.

[Enigmuh-mankrik]

@Fasc-atiesh

The highest Feral parse is 1,638.6, with most of the top 25 being around 1200.

• Retribution Paladins parse a bit higher at best and on average
• Enhancement Shaman parse a bit lower at best, but much better overall on average
• Rogues are significantly better than Feral
• Warriors are staggeringly better than Feral

Top warrior parses per boss seem to have staggeringly high reck usage too lol

[Fasc-atiesh]

I mean… yes. The fact they have a massive CD that dramatically improves their output doesn’t really diminish the fact that they can bring significantly more damage than a Feral when push comes to shove.

I’m sure most of these parses feature super heavy Heroism/Bloodlust stacking as well.