it’s in a weird spot
wait you saying you can farm delves for hero gear and get mythic in vault?
Well the most complain that comes from players are those who waddle around M+ 2 to +10 , so I guess Delves helps to avail that .
But Normal raids have been completely made irrelevant due to delves and normal raids themselves are too easy
Delves have, essentially, a limit on how many you can do, but they give good rewards for the ones you can do.
Mythic+ give slightly better rewards but are harder and are unlimited.
Seems fair to me.
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What gear do you get from bountiful delves without keys?
Yeah that’s what I thought. Again two different things and M+ is still light years away in terms of more gear being handed out than delves.
You still need the trinkets from raid and dungeons unless you want to just be doing complete crap damage. If you don’t care, then break a leg in Delves.
Also you kinda run out of Coffer Keys?? Dungeons you can do all day.
You would think M+ players would be more understanding considering they faced similar criticisms from raiders but I guess they’re no better than the dragonslayer crowd when the shoe fits.
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Delves only give out gear up to ilvl 606, anything further requires currency unobtainable in delves. Or you have to wait one piece of 616 herioc gear every week. By the time you have a full set of 616 the season is probably over. And blizzard has you start again, while you sub and give them money. .
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I mean your not completely wrong but eventually you run out of keys…and the loots gone
Novel concept: Do the content you enjoy. Stop making it about effort versus reward, you are in-fact playing a video game.
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My best friend on the forums hope you are doing well
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Why have gear drop from content at all then? Heck why have gear in the first place if there’s no progression.
We’ve gone from world / solo content capping at what would be a single 597 item a week to 4-8 606s a week, intermittent 610s, a 616 a week, and the resources to upgrade those items to at least 619.
And it’s still not enough?
If your io score in 4th week is still zero or near zero, good luck.
No… delves have a weekly limit for gear based on the amount of keys you have. It is a lot of repeated items and it is a single item at the end of Champion quality. Sure… you might get a Hero item from the vault… but that is 1 hero item. You can literally run mythic+ all day at +7 and get Hero gear all day. Plus valorstones to upgrade your gear. So… yeah, you get a single piece of hero gear from delves every week on +8 you are right… but how many you get from +7 mythics depends on how many you want to run that week.
This – a +7 drops hero gear and valorstones. A +8 delve drops champion gear. You can level up your hero gear you get in 7s to 616 way faster than someone getting a single piece every week and that is fine.
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yeah man, same… 
That’s funny z because for years we’ve had people saying that the vast majority of casual players would love to have a progression system for their gear that they could do without anyone else if they wanted, and that system should be a long grind to keep them with something to work for all season.
That’s exactly what they got, but now suddenly, that’s tiny minority instead of the vast majority?
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I use the same arguments against both, why would anyone who doesn’t specifically raid already want to try heroic raiding when they can just do their 8 delves and get hero in the vault? We saw the same paradigm shift when M+ came out raiding lost an entire funnel of new players engaging with the system because joining a guild and conforming to a set time was more effort than just pugging m+ when you’re on. Now Raids and M+ both are going to feel the shift as new players funnel into delves because they’re less effort.
Haven’t heard a peep from raiders about the delves.
M+ though, “No fair!!”
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No
Stop it.
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