Just asked in classic forum and seem that ret us hot garbage in progression raid and does laughtable damage. Pvp ret does not count, only pve ret who raid and wants to progress and be competitive in gearing and damage.
Ret isn’t supposed to be any more than garbage in classic. WoW was designed based off EQ. So if you can heal you do heal, and warrior tanks. Warrior lucked out with how gear scales for them so they get to dps. Hybrid dps was just there as a convenience option for healers in leveling.
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Yes I was and am 110% happy with the classic Paladin design. BC was my favorite time. It’s been exponentially downhill since then. I don’t have any love at all for the retail Paladin. I can’t even play any class in retail. It makes me bored in 15 min - meanwhile I’m severely addicted to classic all over again with everyone else that’s playing. Retail destroyed the classes and blizzard doesn’t know what they’ve done. Most of the players are somehow blind to how making things “simpler” screwed the game. They’re talking like they get it with shadowlands. They don’t.
Not really. Classic Paladins are the same hot garbage they were 15 years ago. It’s just that the overall game is so much better than Retail. But then again, Paladins have never been more than meh in any of the expansions. I would just rather play a crappy Paladin in a good game than a meh Paladin in a meh game.
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No. Autoattackadin with no tanking and no viable pve dps is not fun.
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Classic ret is garbo, let this thread die : ).
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This is fake news
Learn2play
Learn2play. You can tank or dps as a paladin. You are just bad.
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if blizz actually did the work & made classic what vanilla should had been then so pally can have what they were supposed to get crusader strike & holy strike, the game would had been great. a simpler route would be just adding the class fixes from tbc along with divine plea into it but a few wanted the game just as it was during the last vanilla patch so blizz took the easy way out.
Imagine vanilla wow with class fixes from tbc with some trimming so it works for lvl 60 would had been an amazing game.
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What a laugh. I played this paladin back in Vanilla, and it sucked hugely except when healing. Why is that old auto attack system at all seen as “better” than the active combat system of current Wow? I like actually being able to be a strong soldier of the Light, not a wimpy warrior with a bit of healing.
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Classic ret is literally just autoattack … hell no. It does have the flavor but none of the gameplay. I can hardly stand the downtime in current ret rotation, it feels awful when you have nothing to press. Anything pre-legion and post-BC was when ret got really good imo.
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that guy is just a classic fanboy can’t really take him seriously, like you I’ve played pally since vanilla and this character was also made since vanilla(sadly I can’t xmog my grand marshal shoulder & horde warlord 1 is lame); the only good thing about vanilla was no1 could remove our bubble & every other class did not have crazy mobility. It is more of the other classes being weaker than pally actually being good and I agree with you I like playing a “Soldier of the Light” not some priest in plate that is the BS we got in vanilla after they nerf us after the beta as a result of those pally haters.
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AFAIK Ret is poorly made in classic and classes like Rogues and Fury were the go-to melees… buuuut considering how we have much better information on how to clear all the raids and class design than we did back then I think it’s not a make or break to bring a Ret.
You would probably have to be either lucky or have very good social skills to be accepted by guilds or groups still though, mind you, not unlike what Ret has to go through today.
There is zero debate classic ret paladin is better than retail. All you did in classic was auto attack, there was nothing to press. However, there are a lot aspects that make classic more appealing. Having gone back and raided through BWL, I get why people prefer it. I personally enjoy the action RPG combat of retail. That said, the classic paladin feels like a paladin, retail ret is just another melee dps, with a holy flavor.
feels like a paladin? what other mmorpg out there has a paladin that didn’t know any fighter skills? classic wow paladins feel more like a cleric than a paladin in every fantasy world & video games. Most fantasy games paladins are tanks with some support, nothing close to classic wow pally. Even in the Warcraft lore Paladins are Warhammer wielding Knights that have a few supporting abilities.
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Classic ret is a decent leveling spec and a good pvp spec. That is about it.
Ret was my favorite class/spec combo in vanilla. But I couldn’t do anything besides heal if not in PVP. Nothing has changed in Classic. I didn’t get to raid as Ret until close to the end of TBC when they gave allies seal of blood.
I don’t necessarily like holy power, but I like the fact that the spec was seriously fleshed out in more recent expansions vs Vanilla/Classic. Seal+Judge+auto attack is less engaging than what we currently have.
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The Paladin class was much better in Vanilla beta. After Bill Roper, the original Vanilla WoW lead dev and his team, the Condors left Blizzard brought in a bunch of EQ raider dev including Pardo, Tigole and Furor (Alex Afrasabi, now the lead dev of WoW) who turned the Paladin into a pve bless, heal and cleansebot.
If you want to see the origonal WoW Paladin, log into classic and go to live Stratholme. The Paladins in there are Bill Roper designed Paladins. They have gasp crusader strike which includes a holy dot. Those pallys are amazing, check them out sometime.
It would had been amazing if we got the original Paladin and not the abomination created by those paladin haters; even EQ paladins were good tanks not the awful cleric-like class we got for live vanilla onward til we finally became paladins again in Legion.
Mana would have been the most limiting factor for paladins if that were the case, but there were ways to get around that.