No dude you don’t understand… the boring Earthen zones are better bro… come on man you have to hate human lore bro… you HAVE to… please bro… the Nerubian zone that totally isn’t just another rehash of Surumar is so much better bro come on…
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While overall I enjoyed leveling in each zone, I dunno if I’d pick Hallowfall over Spider Zone (I cannot spell it properly, so it is Spider Zone). But it’s gosh dang close.
Earthen zones were fun too, but I love me some spider people, and the Not Quite Scarlets were overall a great time.
Hallowfall is absolutely the prettiest zone tho.
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Azj-Kahet sounded really good on paper, but the political subterfuge and espionage just didn’t work out imo. That, and the ending was disjointed. I suspect dev time hit the wall there.
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The city area fundementally doesn’t work with flying. The plot is also a shameless lazier rehash of Surumar. Just change out Gul’dan for Xalatath and Elisande for Ansurek. Sure, some of the details are a bit different, but the basic scenario is exactly the same.
But yeah, I suspect the reason the next zone is ground only is cuz of how wet noodle the city of threads ended up being with skyriding enabled.
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Said lines were also in explicit reference to Alleria, the playable void elves, warlocks, demon hunters and death knights / undead.
In other words some of the things that the wider Alliance / Horde only tolerates as well.
I’ve seen a few. Particually with respect to the Nerubians. Although BFA did set up the idea that there were Nerubians that lived outside of Northrend. As you do encounter some on a particular Island expedition. As for the Earthen in Khaz Algar, we had the books in DF Ulduman that set it up. So not exactly “out of nowhere” if it was set up prior.
The Arathi had something similar with Captain Nightsqual’s tale of sailing past the Storming sea and coming back with riches from a civilization no-one knows about. This is in a book on the pirate boat in the Forbidden Reach zone. However the whole “no-one knows about it” allowed Blizzard to slap whatever they wanted into that role. Which by the looks of thins, are the Arathi.
The Human hate is getting odd. Sure, the story focuses on them a lot, who cares?
By all means, dont let this stop you for asking for more races in the spotlight, but at some point if the game being Human-centered stops you from having fun, what can you really do?
WoW’s story has so many glaring issues (mostly products of BfA and SL) that seem far more detrimental than hyper-focusing what race the main protagonists are. Its a MMORPG, if you want to see the main character a certain race, play as it.
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Where were they in Dragonflight?
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Pleasantly less present for the first time ever.
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You know as soon as the Arathi Empire show up they’ll be pure evil and their offshoot that estranged from them in Hallowfall will take up the mantle of morally pure good guys who stand against their kin then join the Alliance.
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I will admit, since I also complained and used the whole Human potential meme over the years, that it’s not actually THAT bad. But there are instances where humans showing up made little to no sense. But those events are years in the past and over with it, so…yeah.
DF was a ton of fun. I loved Hallowfall the best out of all TWWs zones though. I did massively enjoy the kobolds of the Ringing Deeps though. Adorable little buggers who got some much needed story development
As much as I generally agree with your statements, Stromgarde was never totally BTFO as bad as Alterac or Lordaeron in terms of like, people you could describe as “Stromic” (Stromgardian???) They never did anything with Arathi Highlands in cata, and there were still Stromgarde farmers and people in refuge point, and people in the city. So I would say, from a lore perspective they’re about 70% restored.
Art wise they’re basically stormwind humans.
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Arathi.
Anduin himself calls the Alliance’s Arathi “Arathi” this very expansion.
The Arathi Highlands.
The Arathi Highlanders.
Thats annoying for making distinctions between Arathi (from the Vanilla zone Arathi Highlands) and Arathi (The half elf zealots from TWW) But I suppose that makes sense in universe like how IRL there are dutch but no “netherlanders”
Worry not, it’s not a canon distinction but one Dreadmoore came up with himself. The citizens of the Kingdom of Stromgarde are Stromic, not Stromgardian or Arathi.
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Gothicist should always be on ignore.
He lies incessantly, pathologically.
I posted the screenshot on Story Forums discord. I’m not in the discord anymore, but if you are and you search “From: Treng” with the word Arathi you’ll come up with me talking about it, and a screenshot of Anduin saying the very thing.
Edit: Nevermind, I found it in my folder.
https://i.imgur.com/5rni4X6.jpeg
Reminder to always ignore Gothicist.
The reason that there’s no distinction made is likely because we’re going to eventually kill the Arathi Empire, and TWW’s Arathi will join the Alliance. There won’t be a need for a distinction in the end.
And that is good.
My bets are that Danath will die and name someone else King, or Queen. Like our brand new Lothar.
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I don’t know, I still think it’d be useful to be able to differentiate EK vanilla “Arathi” from TWW “Arathi”
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Yes. Anduin saying he had to see if there were descendants of the Arathi down in Hallowfall, as in descendants of the Arathi Empire / Tribe. He isn’t saying this.
They ceased to be called Arathi after the Arathorian Empire fell and its remnants rebranded themselves as the Kingdom of Stromgarde / Stromic.
• March 10, 2014 – “Lore from Chris Metzen and Micky Neilson! Alteraci (“alterackee”), Lordaeronian, Stromic, Dalaranian, Stormwindian. BOOM.”
https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Archive_lore_tweets_from_loreology
Heartlands also doubles down on them simply being Stromic, with the near (not even then) singular exception of Marran Trollbane, but even she doesn’t call herself Arathi. She’s merely obsessed with their legacy and restoring Strom.
The closest you get in the Eastern Kingdoms in the modern era was someone like Anduin Lothar who was stated to be one of if not the only remaining true-blooded descendant of the Arathi Tribe.
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Absolute lie.
He talks about how the Kingdoms of the Alliance have fallen and how he, as King of Stormwind, needs to meet and find their descendants.
Your ancient tweet is second hand information. Even if it was officially canon (and it literally never was), new lore trumps old lore.
And in new lore Anduin calls the Alliance’s Arathi Arathi.
Metzen worked on this content.
Anyway, no more time wasted on you.
You’ve pathologically lied about this topic ad nauseam before.
If you mean in character, half elf? Lamplighter? The empire has a lot of light-themed sobriquet which I’m spacing.
If you mean as players, well you just solved the issue your self.
TWW Arathi / Vanilla Arathi.
I never knew this was such a heated debate lol.
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