Thats fair. Holy definitely gets the better end of the deal with Oracle.
thankfully voidweaver is good on Disc though it doesn’t shore up its current over reliance on burst and our pet.
I think oracle is suited to naaru stuff more than archon. Oracle is draenei based/velen based (third eye, glowing eyes and the triangle halogram plus runes). I think if anything needs to get naaru animation stuff its oracle.
I think archon would be the angel form thing if we consider the icon and the “ultimate form” text. That just makes me imagine an upgraded version of apotheosis.
You know, theming problems aside, I’m starting to fall in love with Archon mainly for the low-effort/borderline passive HPS/DPS.
Holy’s always felt like you’re fighting the GCD to get in casts (particularly for damage) and it’s nice to have something going on passively in the background freeing your time up for other options.
I like oracle a lot for disc to be honest. This is a pvp perspective to be clear but I think its super fun. The buffs are very noticeable and very powerful.
Piety has some insane synergy with Ultimate Penitence as you just get your atonements out and pop Piety+ult and it does very good damage while also topping the 1 or 2 people that are dying so you basically no longer need to use ult for healing, can use it for dmg only now.
Insight with Shadow cov feels really good as you just spam dark reprimand 4 times in a row. Works well with PWs too but you lose some CDR since pws is like 6.5sish.
solace is just straight up powerful. Insane absorb, feels super good. This into Clairvoyance where you have all 3 is just wild. Again this is from pvp pov tho.
edit: forgot to mention the free Prayer of Mendings we get from every PW:S we put out. If you play shield build in pvp this talent is actually so strong.
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archon would be better if it affect apotheosis and dark ascesion and gaining access to the light spells as a shadow and vice versa
I dont think shadow should gain access to light spells honestly, being able to utilize both light and shadow effectively is Discs theme. Holy is mostly pure holy and shadow is pure shadow for the most part outside of flash heal and PW:S (though I think glyphs should exist to give those shadow visuals for shadow priest).
I do think archon should have been focused on DA and Apoth for shadow and holy respectively for sure. Both of those match the theme of Archon so well, its actually as close to a perfect match as you could get with DA being the shadowy version of Apoth basically minus the floating. Theme fits perfectly for both of those. Surprised they didn’t go for that.
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I would agree except for this little known bit…
Dark Naaru
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Naaru
Also, it is my bet that the Hallowfall Crystal we see is a Naaru of some kind. And you can see it shifting into a void state just like what is described as what a Dark Naaru or Void God is.
Only major difference is that it is shifting back and forth at a rapid pace compared to anything we have dealt with prior.
So I am betting something is a foot and is forcing this state of change and perhaps farming/gathering the energies of either or both states.
I didn’t say much about light or dark naaru, I’m aware of them, but that wasnt my point. I said based on the description of Archon and the icon of it, naaru doesn’t really make sense. It isn’t present anywhere in the theme of archon, whereas Oracle has a heavy naaru/draenei theme. Wouldnt make sense to give Archon naaru visuals when we have a hero talent tree thats much closer to it visually already. Doesnt have anything to do with shadow/light though, just the icons and descriptions.
Archon, based on the icon and description, sounds like it should do something really cool when you press Halo. Like change your form to a big angel form, something new we haven’t seen maybe, or just give you giant wings. Something that feels like ‘ultimate form’ and looks like the icon, which is an angel with giant wings.
Gotta say I have enjoyed Archon more than I thought I would. Just need halo to be instant cast along with our CD’s and it would feel pretty decent.
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Same I wish halo was more instant or that the tier set would reduce its cast time.
between trinkets voidform power infusion and now halo there is a lot to keep track of before your damage window
We’re just all having to get used to having very little haste again, haha.
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It is kind of cool though doing world events and seeing 5+ Halo’s going off simultaneously.
Anyone got a dungeon archon build for holy? I currently run oracle but I don’t really remember to use the dang buffs and my raid build isn’t optimized for dungeons.
I’ve been using this.
I’m terrible at designing my own builds 
but I’ll play with it. I like optimal but I’m really not liking oracle unfortunately.
I’ve been preferring Archon for dungeons/delves over Oracle as well. That might change when I push into actual higher keys.
Give in to the Archon tree then - so much less management, so much less work… let Archon passively do 20% of your healing and damage while you faceroll between holy words, flash heal and heal instead!
Plan on it. Just wish my heals healed for more.
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That’s why I’m preferring Archon atm.
15s out of every 60s you get free AOE passive healing/damage and SoL procs which translates out to saving a lot of manual Flash Heal casts a dungeon.
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Yeah, we have it good compared to what I’ve seen on my rshaman so far, e.g.
When the tank chain pulls without stopping on my priest it’s never an issue, Halo passively does enough and with the SoL procs, the buff to Apotheosis healing, and the buffs they gave Flash Heal/Heal/Lightweaver I can spot heal for days with Halo giving breathing room the whole time and no big worries on mana.
On my rshaman they’re probably running past my totemic surge healing rain, I’m quickly forced to pop Ascendance and resorting to chain heals and I can see my mana bar dragging down like an old clunker. That makes me worried about sustaining in longer fights and more challenging content.