blessed from higher beings to enter into an ascended state, becoming an ultimate version of themselves
their description
the gameplay: halo
am I missing something, wheres the higher beings that would bless me? how do I ascend? all Im doing is casting halo, is it right, the description doesnt match at all, they tried something and then scraped? what happened?
Haha, you do get the healing bonus in Apotheosis - and the hero talent really shouldâve revolved around Apotheosis. Itâs been a loong time since Iâve played shadow, not sure if they have some voidform/shadowform equivalent to Apotheosis but I guess they felt that shadow lacked something comparable to base the hero tree around.
So we get⌠mostly halo buffs. I donât think a lot of thought went into this, they just wanted to use something off the shelf and reversing the animations on an existing spell clearly fit the bill for low dev time. 
yea theres no interaction with shadow, only things like ââyour mind flay: insanity now deal 60% more dmgââ ok cool but wheres the new form the description said to me
I feel like they just rushed priest and whatever deal it with until the next major patch to pray for a rework
I mean iâve only played disc priest void weaver, but the dev time was probably spent there, its pretty sick.
Itâs less of a âhit this button to become godlikeâ and more-so, your kit is overall better. Stronger PW Fort, stronger PI, harder hitting during void form or Dark ascension.
And the buffs we get with halo make one of our main dps spells hit really hard. Its not perfect, but its pretty nice regardless.
To me it would be perfect if they somehow brought back sear in some form with archon, I guess thatâs just wishful thinking
Dark Ascension would be the best fit for Shadow.
If anything, it would make more sense for Voidweaver.
But in either case, it would be contentious as that really should be a core Shadow kit and not limited to Hero talents.
Somebody just used AI to create fancy descriptions for hero trees that donât exactly match.
Shadow archon halo interaction just gives additional / extends our time in Void Form.
As well as give a damage amp. Which does follow the theme of
Strong and longer CD windows.
I kinda wish there was a choice talent for Archon where it always puts you into your form for x duration after you use Devouring Plague or something but in turn your cooldown now becomes a passive in that you can no longer activate it.
That means you would have 1 less manual cast of a spell to do and you get some semblance of consistent damage similar to how MoP and WoD worked with Devouring Plague becoming your sudo cooldown.
Basically sacrifice your cooldown for a passive version that triggers off a spell use for a short duration, essentially Demon Hunters Demon Form.
It would also be nice if when you are in your cooldown, your spells become empowered versions of themselves similar to Demon Hunter.
So basically your Insanity would not require a proc while in your cooldown as Mind Flay and Mind Spike would always be their insanity version.
Maybe make it a choice node in Archon tree also.
Just trying to think how to bring to life the âultimate formâ feeling to match the description.
Nah that isnât really fair to say, priest has some of the better hero talents for sure. When you press halo and you have 4 insanity casts to use, that feels extremely good and powerful. Itâs super fun. Voidweaver and oracle have some of the better visuals out of hero talents too, gameplay for all 3 is pretty good too (I know shadow priests have their concerns).
I agree archon is lacking a bit visually as itâs just a pulsing halo, it is easy to tell when a priest is archon though. I think it should maybe give you a new form for the duration of halos pulsing effect. Some sort of cool Angel form or something interesting.
I am a bit mixed on this.
On one hand I see the Naaru theme in the new tier set gear and would think it would look cool to take on aspects of a Naaru where we have some disjointed floating shapes that move like wings on our back and possibly other parts of our body.
On the other hand, the Archon artwork clearly depicts a more angelic imagery.
So perhaps you can look at the Kyrian in Shadowlands and if you compare the Kyrian wing back transmog and the long flowing wings the Ascended have then maybe just obtain those wings in glowing Light for Holy and flowing Dark for Shadow while Halo is doing its thing.
If you happen to be in Dark Ascension with its winged visual, then the Halo wings would just override the visual so you donât have 2 stacking sets of wings.
Yea both hero classes for Holy priest are a bit of a bummer. Oracle is supposed to give you a premonition to counter something that is going to happen very soon. instead it gives you 3 rotating buffs that last a few short seconds that are rarely up when you need the exact one.
And yea⌠Archon. I had in my mind the Archon of Shadowlands. The leader of the Kyrian, A being of angelic majesty. Instead all i got was a 3 proc Halo and a couple flashes of light.
I am disappointed though Archon is much more enjoyable to play than Oracle.
I have to admit, as a Shadow Priest, I went Voidweaver for the theme and it looks great. I felt very underwhelmed with Archon as, what youâre getting at with this post, nothing about it feels like it fits the theme described.
But after playing with Archon through a couple of dungeons with Voidform, I can say it regardless of fitting the theme, it feels good to play and slaps. The amount of off-healing from Halo is really nice. I know Voidweaver with Dark Ascension supposedly performs better than Voidform, but it just doesnât feel good to me. Feels like thereâs too much downtime, but maybe thatâs just on me.
That said, it is only normals, so weâll see how each actually perform in Mythics.
I really wish theyâd adjust them so that Voidform actually is preferred for Voidweaver and Dark Ascension is preferred for Archon. And also make Dark Ascension instant cast already.
Havenât touched my Priest yet and didnât test these on beta. But this is my thinking as well.
If I personally have better acuity with something that doesnât necessarily pencil out to the best option but it just works out to flow better for me then thatâs what I am going to do.
Haha, yeah I donât know about anyone else but if thereâs a lazy option to macro/WA something in and not have to think too much about it, thatâs what Iâm going with myself.
Archon certainly fits the bill of âno additional thought requiredâ which is a win in itself.
Oh I read oracle quite differently. I see those rotating buffs as something that you actually have to plan for. You have to know when a big event is coming if you want the perfect buff for the job. Youâre âseeingâ what is needed in the future.
thats hyper optimizing though. Truth be told each buff is strong enough that whichever buff is up, its useful in any situation, plus the extra charge gets you through the cycle pretty quickly.
Iâm sorry youre disappointed with the hero talents we got, but personally I think we could have been much worse off.
A premonition as defined:
a strong feeling that something is about to happen,
âhe had a premonition of imminent disasterâ
So if you have a premonition, You take action to avert said premonition. Not plan things out happening in the future, but to respond to a specific event. a feeling, and to counter it.
Not much responding to a premonition if you have to rotate 3 different buffs. You have a premonition a boss is about to do a massive aoe damage on the team, But you have the cooldown reduction buff up when you likely need the over healing cleave buff up. Not much reaction to the premonition there lol
Your tone is coming off rather salty here. Iâm not arguing with you, just giving my perspective.
Lets take your scenario at face value. AoE coming but we have CDR buff instead of the aoe one? Great, thats why we have 2 charges, pop em both. Then you can spam out 4 PoMs then pump healing into yourself to heal everyone around you. Suddenly youâre doing even MORE AoE healing than you would if you only had the one buff.
Theres plenty that could be worked on with the priest class. Lots that needs addressing. Oracle is a bright spot in our healing tool kit. Adaptive and strong.
Well I agree, but only IF youâre a holy priest 
For disc itâs basically catering to a playstyle nobody will want to take with them in a group even if it âworksâ unless it gets crazy overtuned or something.