See post above yours.
No it has nithing to do with adding them all up.
Retail is ruined because if gameplay. Nit because if dual soec ir cash shops or any qol change.
Qol changes were put in tbc and tbc is by far better than classic. Some qol changes make the game better
Regardless, we are only talking about dual spec. Thats it. If anyone brings up any ither change then go ahead and address it. Until then, keep any other change out of this discussion.
Why, that just INHUMANE
If you look at any criticism of retail since BFA it actually has very little do with the âmodern conveniencesâ and almost 100% with the modern inconveniences of:
- Time gated content
- Throwing out entire systems every single expansion
- Terrible writing
The thing that Vanilla->Wrath did incredibly well that culminated in the peak of WoW with WotLK is build on success.
With Cata they got it into their minds to stop building on the successful things and they decided they could do it better from scratch. The problem was they couldnât. They screwed up and instead of going back they buried their heads in the sand and just kept plowing foward.
MoP almost recovered the awful decisions made in Cata but then they just made the same mistakes again by throwing out everything that worked in favour of something NEW and the players rejected it.
In Legion they did the same thing, throw out everything successful from WoD, as little as it was, and replace it with something NEW. The thing with Legion though is they actuall came up with a new system the players enjoyed for the first time in 6 years.
So what does Blizzard do to build on the success of legion? Scrap everything the players enjoyed and double down on time gated content that player hated.
This is where we are now.
Adding Dual Spec doesnât break or change anything, it builds on successful things within the game and improves the player experience without impacting the content and systems the players enjoy. There is no one out there who thinks of the current class trainer mechanic for specs and things âYa, I really enjoy this, i canât wait to do this, this adds so much depth and enjoyment to the gameâ.
You donât get to tell other players what Classic is all about because for every single person that is something different. There are people who enjoy the economics of it, there are people who just want to fish all day, there are people who are heavily invested in the Role Playing and might not even have a max level character. It is something intensely personal and has no place in this argument other than an appeal to emotion.
Inconveniences arenât necessarily bad. Itâs how the game was designed. Weâve seen a game with zero inconveniences. Itâs called ShadowlandsâŠand itâs shedding players like a dog in the spring.
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Sir, I disagree. Or as you might say, I disergreaasfh
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Im not saying it isnt and never did. If course any change is a change. Durrrr
But we are talking about DUAL SPEC. Thats it. And it is not the same change as any other change. And im not going to keep feeding your failed attempt to siderail the fact that we are ONLY talking about DUAL SPEC.
I dont know man, Iâve been in a couple other dual spec threads, and the Cost is a primary reason for many of the people replying.
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Youâve clearly never played Shadowlands or have a clue what the current criticisms of the game are.
Time gated content is the single largest inconvenience introduced in WoW. It started with MoP where they put a hard cap on the daily reputations you could farm. Players wanted to play when it was convenient for them, Blizzard said ânah, you play when we decideâ.
Explain to me also what is convenient about discarding entire class/player/spell/mechanics every single expansion? At least Vanilla â WotLK built on successful things instead of trying to create entirely new systems just for the sake of newness.
I get the point youâre trying to make but it shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the criticisms towards retail wow since Cata.
Iâm sorry but it is still the same topic. Why should you get the change you want and others not be allowed the change they want? What makes what you want more special than others wants? If dual spec is to go through than other changes should also be put on the table for being allowed. Itâs that simple.
Itâs better to leave the changes off the table and play the game how it was made back then. Wait for those changes to come around at the appropriate expansion.
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so, laziness?
Disagree all you want. Tbc has a cash shop. Ppl play tbc. Tbc has boosts. Ppl play tbc
Private servers have cash shops and boosts. People play private servers.
But they are not playing retail. Which also has those. Then they try and say they are not playing retail because of boosts and cash shops. Disagree away.
hi blizzard pls add dungeon finder and raid finder and transmog and cross faction grouping pls ^_____^
Iâm pretty active in almost every single one of these and I have only seen the cost brought up by people arguing against dual spec; usually in the form of â50g is nothingâ or âThey should just reduce the costâ.
The cost in TBC is inconsequential and with the dailies about to be released next phase even more so.
I think most players want time sinks to be meaningful. The mechanics of having to travel to a class trainer in order to respec donât add anything meaningful to the gameplay.
edit: The netherwing rep is a perfect example of how Blizzard used to provide player choice. You can do the daily quests and be capped at exalted in 14 days OR you can do the daily quests and grind the eggs hardcore and speed it up by as much effort as you are willing to put into finding eggs. Players like having options.
Duel spec. Thats it. Stick to the topic.
Didnt waste any time reading anything you wrote only up to the point i could tell you were trying to change the topic ti some other changr that nobody is aking for.
Than Iâll keep it simple for you since you arenât a reader.
No changes until the appropriate expansion. You wanted an explanation of why I would want it that way. I gave it and you chose not to read and/or agree with it. Thatâs on you.
Okay, so Iâm guessing you quit then when they introduced changes that werenât in the appropriate expansion?
Oh you didnât? Colour me suprised.
Honestly I am playing vanilla again. Also I never gave a I will quit if itâs not my way rant.
Okay well I have been a few, and people have definitely brought up that dual spec should be implemented because they canât afford to respec as it is now.
I dont know how to link the thread tho.
Nope but you made a very definitive statement with very little room for confusion:
No changes until the appropriate expansion.
Since there are changes already how do you reconcile your opinion with reality?