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[Wam-herod]

@Purpleheal-benediction

Blizzard put dual spec in WOTLK because that is what players wanted and it worked out very well. It was in terms of subscriber numbers to most successful expansion.

Ok why not just ask for wrath then? Just because something existed in wow most popular expansion does not mean it was perfect. WOW WOTLK MOST POPULAR THERFORE EVERYTHING IN THAT EXPANSION WAS PERFECT.

Zug Zug brain

[Enigmuh-mankrik]

@Purpleheal-benediction

There is a flood of people that don’t want dual spec and their only argument is #Nochange. Blizzard put dual spec in WOTLK because that is what players wanted and it worked out very well. It was in terms of subscriber numbers to most successful expansion.

Let the #Nochange crowd unsubscribe. They are your most disloyal subscribers. The people you want are those that sticked around for Cataclysm, Draenor, Pandaria, BFA, Shadowland. Meanwhile the #nochange crowd was on private servers. Let them go

Brah, you made several threads stating that you had “full BIS” and were going to unsub until BT because of it. Now you’re on here talking about “disloyal subscribers” lol

[Mindtrick-heartseeker]

@Kumasama-westfall

You could say the same concerning the Level 58 boost and the Rift Stalker mount.

I DO say the same thing about the level 58 boost and rift stalker mount.

All of this crap detracts from the classic experience.

If you want to play retail, go play retail.

P.S. 50g in TBC is nothing. Have you tried not being poor? I respect multiple times per week. It’s nbd.

[Belshaman-grobbulus]

@Nöcht-ashkandi

Dual spec isn’t needed though. Just reduce the respec fee by 50% and call it a day.

First person I’ve really seen capable of making a point regarding dual spec implementation.

Personally I don’t think the cost is a factor in TBC since you can literally do almost anything and make 50g in 20min and it will be even less of a factor with the dailies coming in the next phase.

It definitely isn’t needed in anyway it’s just a QoL feature. The people who respec constantly will continue to do it regardless of if dual spec is in the game but if you add it to the game you just might get more people trying out new specs/playstyles.

Player retention and engagement should always be at the lead of design decisions. The class trainer for spec retraining is clunky and inconvenient and equally as un-needed as dual spec.

[Kumasama-westfall]

@Mindtrick-heartseeker

All of this crap detracts from the classic experience.

Well it’s here whether we like it or not.

If you can't beat them.

[Nöcht-ashkandi]

@Mindtrick-heartseeker

All of this crap detracts from the classic experience.

Oh man they are riding on a lizard! I can’t finish this heroic dungeon knowing that the second we leave that guy is going to run around in circles on his lizard boi. Even worse my immersion is totally ruined when we do Cavern’s of Time instances because they can use it INSIDE OF THE ZONE! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[Enigmuh-mankrik]

@Nöcht-ashkandi

Oh man they are riding on a lizard! I can’t finish this heroic dungeon knowing that the second we leave that guy is going to run around in circles on his lizard boi. Even worse my immersion is totally ruined when we do Cavern’s of Time instances because they can use it INSIDE OF THE ZONE!

Yes, it truly is ugly. Don’t immersion shame me

[Belshaman-grobbulus]

@Mindtrick-heartseeker

All of this crap detracts from the classic experience.

If you ask 5000 wow players what the classic experience is you’ll get 5000 different answers. This is not an argument it is an appeal to emotion.

@Mindtrick-heartseeker

If you want to play retail, go play retail.

TBC with dual spec is not retail. This is a false equivalency.

@Mindtrick-heartseeker

P.S. 50g in TBC is nothing. Have you tried not being poor? I respect multiple times per week. It’s nbd.

The cost isn’t a factor it is the inconvenience.

[Khlause-kurinnaxx]

@Serraticx-sargeras

There are like 5 people that don’t like dual spec

Said the guy in a yeti costume.

[Qbert-fairbanks]

@Zashy-whitemane

Give me one good reason for not wanting dual spec.

It wasnt in the game yet and this is Classic.

[Mechablade-atiesh]

Retail is a bunch of “modern conveniences” that “don’t really affect the game,” until you add them all up and the game isn’t fun.

MMOs are a time investment, and always have been. It’s the whiners who want instant gratification that created the garbage heap that it now is.

And now they want the same in Classic, even though Classic is all about NOT having all those quality of life conveniences. Because you don’t need them, and we don’t want them.

[Novum-kirtonos]

No it isnt. It is silly to even say that. Stay on the topic. You cant because u havr no reason to be against it. So you have to bring up other changes.

News flash------dual spec is dual spec. Nit any other change.

[Novum-kirtonos]

I do want zero gold. I am not hiding that. Let me play the class for free. They let me change specs already. I do it all the time.

Get rid of the stupid fee. It is not preventing me from changing specs. It isnt making my spec " mean something" the only thing it does is deter me from content that i would squeeze in. It takes fun away and has zero advantage. No one gains from not having it

[Shïvana-scarlet-crusade (Shïvana)]

Your argument from a business standpoint doesn’t make sense.

Why make a change for a customer if that customer is guaranteed to stick around? Better to work towards keeping people that might unsub.

[Usdapproved-fairbanks]

@Nöcht-ashkandi

Dual spec isn’t needed though. Just reduce the respec fee by 50% and call it a day.

If you actually gave this a moment’s thought you can see how this fixes nothing.

1. The cost will climb to 25g regardless of the cost of each respec and then It’ll 25g everytime after hitting the cap.

2. The amount of time it takes for the cost to reduce would require someone to not play that spec for an entire month. That isn’t feasible.

[Mindtrick-heartseeker]

ITT the poors crying for handouts

it’s a damn MMO you retail babies. go farm some gold.

[Drain-windseeker]

If you want retail, then just go play retail. You don’t need to turn this into retail.

[Battlebuddy-windseeker]

@Novum-kirtonos

No it isnt. It is silly to even say that. Stay on the topic. You cant because u havr no reason to be against it. So you have to bring up other changes.

News flash------dual spec is dual spec. Nit any other change.

Actually you prove the point that a change is a change. You can try to drum it up that your change is better than changes others want, but a change is still a change.

[Nöcht-ashkandi]

@Usdapproved-fairbanks

If you actually gave this a moment’s thought you can see how this fixes nothing.

Ben Stein - Wow

Then just lower the cap on the respecc cost. Such a hard fix.

Did you miss the post where I said:

@Nöcht-ashkandi

If it was 10g to respecc I doubt anybody would be complaining.

Thanks for the snark though.

[Astandrelyne-trollbane]

@Nöcht-ashkandi

Dual spec isn’t needed though. Just reduce the respec fee by 50% and call it a day.

You’re wrong. Completely wrong. It’s not even about the cost.

It’s about the fact that you have to constantly reset your talent points and run to the trainer to accomplish this feat.