Apparently DPS balance IS rocket science

Because Blizz just can’t get it right. DPS rankings show huge disparities between the top several and the bottom several classes. It can’t be because of differences in skill, unless one assumes that all lower dps classes are represented by unskilled players. It is a problem that has plagued Blizz from the beginning. Answers always seem to default to the hoary bromide “just play the class you love, Grasshopper, and all will be well” but that is just horse manure. If the class I love does 40 percent less dps in raids I won’t be going on many raids, I’ll have a hell of a time questing, and the Torghost grind will take significantly longer, even assuming I can kill the final boss on Floor 6.

Perfect parity is probably impossible but is getting within 10 percent or so such a bloody hard thing to do across classes, or specs? To realize I can get a huge boost in dps just by respeccing to MM from BM is to realize the system is dumb and broke.
As usual.

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I don’t think dps should be balanced or even attempted to be balanced.

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How are there DPS rankings before any raids being released ?
As there is strictly (inaccurate) SIMs and no real rankings there is nothing to balance off currently.
Nobody has raid gear, nobody has done the first raid, no rankings exist yet.

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They are all sims, yes, but in real questing and Torghast in SL the classes simmed as “weak” are, in fact weak: Arcane Mage, Havoc DH, BM hunter, Ele Shaman. None of mine can beat the Floor 6 boss in Torghast solo, and questing is a slow, bloody grind…
There have always been these huge disparities. Blizz seems helpless in any attempt to fix it.

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Wonderful. So we play class roulette each expansion or, if you want to progress fast, or be invited to raids, to slavishly adopt the FOTM?

So much for playing the class you love. Instead play World of Sheepcraft. Follow the herd.

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Not perfectly, but it should be ballpark with some allowances for group utility.

Whaaaat. I think we received different memos.

Oh lmao you are talking about balance in questing experience? Thats literally a useless metric.

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Seriously, unless you are pushing for World First there is absolutely NO reason to have to become a meta slave. It’s not even remotely required. If your ego is too fragile to handle not being on top of the meters, maybe you should swap to healer…

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TBH it’s still too early to tell.

We will know much more in a couple weeks once logs start coming in.

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I played a “trash” spec last expac. I did M+20s-21s, Mythic raiding, and 2100 rated rbgs.

Oh wosies I can’t do anything with this trashy spec. I guess just being better at something I love is insufficient.

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Yep. I run with an arcane mage quite a bit and he’s damned near broken.

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Saw a video posted on reddit a few days ago where an arcane mage literally one shot a boss…

My gf plays BM hunter and solo’d it

My raid leader plays havoc and solo’d it.

I dont know anyone playing Ele shaman personally so I cant speak for them, but the rest of what you said is just not true.

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I expected you to be exaggerating, but I decided to go look. I admit a 20% difference between top and bottom is pretty bad.

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My BM Hunter has soloed everything in torghast so far and has died once and that was on the last boss that splits into adds. I switched tactics and beat it the second time. It CAN be challenging, but so far for me, its been doable. Not sure about other classes, but BM hunter is fine so far.

Raids might be a different story, so we’ll see.

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We have, what, 24 dps specs. Then we have covenant abilities; then conduits and soulbinds; then legendaries (all in addition to the combination of trinkets, talents and racials). I’m no mathematician, but yeah, the numbers involved probably do require a bit of rocket science to strike a balance down the middle.

I do not, however, think perfect balance should ever be the goal. That does not mean the designers shouldn’t be actively balancing, because with what I said in regards to the combination of class powers/systems, issues will inevitably arise.

Classes should be able to counter one another in some form of content. I do believe pure dps classes should be able to edge out hybrid dps specs on the charts (not to an extreme) while the hybrids offer more group utility to compensate. This is why I’m happy to see MM and Sub performing really well atm.

Her gear wasnt the best and had a similar time. I think after raid this week and some m+ items she will do even better. I dont understand the doom posts.

I main Ele shaman, I maxed torghast in first try both weeks, I haven’t died to anything but the chains cause they are bouncy af

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So this is based on sims (patchwerk i assume?) and some anecdotal Torghast complaints by people who are bad.

Sounds awesome.

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Yea, was only in a mix of normal, and heroic dungeon gear. So its not like i was in full m0 with 190 BoE items. Did i have to think sometimes before i pulled pack on how i was going to deal with it? Yes, but i think that is part of the design/intent of Torghast.

Grats on your runs! Those chains are designed by an angry angry person that wants to watch the world burn.

Not that I’ve messed up moving between them or anything.

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