AOO is up with 400 loot

Except that’s utter nonsense and you know it. It’s just a made up story Alliance tells themselves to feel better and we have absolute proof in the form of the very quest you’re defending. If Horde was really full of pver’s that only used warmode because it was a free bonus, then those people would have ditched warmode week 1. The numbers would have gone so heavily into your favor that the very next week we’d have AOO. Instead, you’ve consistently had it week after week after week.

Absolute proof that the number of carebears on Alliance side FAR outnumber those on Horde.

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Essentially this.

The Horde players railing against a mechanic to balance the number of people participating wpvp are the ones who want to just walk around with a free 10% without any challenge whatsoever. This is what Ion said in his Q&A. He didn’t want Horde players to just walk around without a challenge.

Horde players want ez-mode, but throw a fit when they don’t get it.

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Here I go for the 10th time repeating myself.

Ion literally said that the disparity in warmode resulted in many Horde players who had no interest in wpvp enlisting in warmode because it was a cake walk. Many Alliance players left because Ion himself admitted that sharding was broken and that ended up favoring the Horde in the long run because many Alliance players turned off warmode after getting zerged constantly.

I have the Q&A in the form of video evidence if you’d like it.

That’s literally not even the point of AOO, it’s intended to balance the number of people on both sides participating, not to constantly shift the disparity back and forth.

I proved your entire argument is utter nonsense already, I’d like to see what evidence you have to disprove me, because so far you’re relying on emotional arguments instead of ones based in rationality.

I don’t want carebears on the Horde running around with a pack of 40 Horde freeloading the bonus. You want your 10% and your warmode talents? You better be ready to fight for it. I know you want warmode to be just the Horde running around without any challenge, but that ain’t how it gonna’ be, chief. That’s not how wpvp is.

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Yes, I agree that Horde have more players in WM and they always probably will. Ion stated as much the first time he mentioned WM in a Q&A. I have never stated otherwise.

What you arent addressing with your simplified analysis includes: what is the gap? How many more horde had it on in the beginning vs alliance? How big is that gap now compared to then? Who is turning it on? Is it the players who actually want to PvP or just players who want the bonuses?

If that gap isnt or wasnt that large then trying to say “horde do WPvP more” or something along the lines about “horde like WPvP more” is incredibly silly, especially after Ion said very specifically that they wanted to discourage horde players who only turned on WM for the bonuses since they knew it would be easy with no alliance to camp them and get them to turn it off.

So… is it that horde are gr8 pvpers and always ready to kick the other sides butt, or is it that horde want some free candy? Its probably both, but is the horde side bloated by the people coasting for bonuses?

Naw, we got a buff to war mode because Horde was crying about not having enough Alliance to kill in war mode.

That’s what you think, but considering that the sharding mechanic being broken exacerbated the number of Alliance turning off warmode because of Horde being favored in more shards caused many Horde players to turn on warmode because they coud walk around with any challenge goes to show the cowards on the Horde.

Ion literally admitted this, while no source shows the contrary for the Alliance.

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But you aren’t in control. And Blizzard doesn’t care what you want. Blizzard is the one with the power here not us. All we can do it give our feedback, and ideally, offer realistic suggestions on how to improve things. Trapping people in warmode is not a realistic suggestion.

Personally I don’t think warmode should give ANY bonuses at all. But we all know it would be a ghost town if that were the case.

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I see them around but personally dont like their form so i wont be making one

The fact that more horde are interested in PvP is indisputable just looking at BG wait times… even with merc mode, horde wait times are more than 2-2.5 times alliance ones.
The general population disparity is not 2.5:1 in favor of horde.

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This is nice. Farming horde for free gear.

This literally has nothing to do with warmode. Battlegrounds are an entirely different discussion from World PvP.

But it shows player inclination towards PvP generally

Which tells you nothing about warmode participation.

If I polled the United States on whether they like apples and the majority of Americans like apples, I can’t then go to Nebraska and say “Well because apples and bananas are fruits, maybe Nebraskans are more inclined to like bananas.”

Just wanted to respond to your post about a source that the sharding being fixed. Go look at the Live Q&A where Ion specifically says, “However, there were some phasing issues that lead to more Horde in a phase.”

“Were” being the keyword. As in past tense. As in not anymore. If you need a clearer explanation I can’t help you.

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Can you source it?

I can’t even believe this is an actual argument. Are you being 100% dead serious right now when you say this?

Can you seriously not entertain the very strong possibility that Ion was talking in the past tense about the event that was occurring there? How does that imply that it was fixed?

You seriously can’t get something where Ion literally says that they fixed sharding instead of having to resort to very particular semantics?

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If there are no alliance in the shards. It means you guys were too scared to turn it on. And will only do it for the reward. It’s pretty simple

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It’s simple because the way you reason is also simple.

There were fewer Alliance in shards because sharding favored the Horde. Because sharding favored the Horde, more Alliance got zerged and got tired of getting zerged over and over again, much like how the Horde here are complaining about being zerged so they turn it off.

It’s funny because Ion literally said that there were Horde players who turned on warmode because it was a free ride without any resistance, and these people had no intention of pvping.

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Wouldn’t argue with him. After all, he is one Male Human Paladin that claims the entire game is Horde BIAS.

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This is quite funny considering it’s in a thread started by a Hordie complaining about warmode being too frightening to turn on this week.

Hey all, Alliance are too scared to turn on warmode!
Hey fellow Hordies, don’t turn on warmode, it’s too scary!

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You know what else is funny? It takes bonuses for Alliance to turn on there Warmode

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