AoE is too good

The OP is saying that aoe classes are so highly valued. And the reasons for that are discussed later in the thread. When the downside of aoe’ing is reduced, it increases the strength and demand of aoe classes.

What is the downside? The high threat it generates. Demo shout issue is conflicting with the upside/downside.

This meme makes me sad.

It’s not though haven’t played retail since the first month of BFA. What it is though is efficient. Some people enjoy doing quests and taking their time. Others (like myself) enjoy getting to max to start doing relevant (I know this term is also subjective) things. I don’t tell others how to play and im the one paying my sub so I wouldn’t expect others to tell me how to play.

Also if you think AoE cleave groups weren’t in vanilla WoW you are heavily misremembering. They might not have been as known as they are today but they were most definitely being done back in 2004.

So then fix demo shout? You expect me to read the entire thread before posting? If it wasn’t mentioned in the OP or the initial post I quoted, then I didn’t read it.

Do you really think that nerfing 1 spell is going to seriously impact aoe groups happening though? I don’t. I’ve been in groups without a warrior tank, or better yet no tank at all. These groups still pull massive and aoe them down along with slows. Fixing demo shout won’t affect any of those groups at all.

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A massive amount of assuming you have going on. Let’s be real with each other classic PvE or PvP isn’t exactly the hardest thing ever put out.

Wrong it did exist in vanilla.

People just weren’t aware of it.


It probably is too good. But the #nochanges crowd would lose their poop if it got balanced. Vanilla wow never had great class balance. The pure dps mains are the ones that want to keep it the way it is.

Honestly just ride it put until BC comes out. A lot more classes have good cleave in BC.

The mobs don’t do enough damage either. Honestly if you wanted to experience demo shout not being able to hold 20 mobs and those 20 mobs actually being dangerous to the tank, you could have experienced that for the last 4 years… elsewhere…

But Activision won’t give it to you. Classic is the easiest possible version of the game. WoW is for casuals now.

You do realize some of these aoe groups dont even have a tank right?


The dude doesn’t want to listen to reason. I said the same thing, and it seems they gave up, or went to bed or something.


The reason your aren’t being brought it because you’re bad. I’ve shaman tanked well up to 40 so far with little complaints. I’m sure you’ll be fine


I highly doubt that given that they went through all the trouble to replicate vanilla spell processing for authenticity.

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Idiot shill

It’s interesting that EverQuest,a game that released 5 years before WOW, knew this would be a problem. The solution? Limiting AOEs to a 4-target maximum.

It has always been like this. No one wants anything that cant aoe. So mages and warlocks are your go to dungeon group dps.

A good group would look like this a fury/prot warrior, a priest, 2 mages and a warlock or 3rd mage.

When you ask why. Well the fury/prot is pushing out mad TPS and DPS with the build. Lets the 2 mages and lock or 3 mages. Just aoe everything down. It also allows the warrior to get all the agi leather, and weapons.

Its the perfect set up grinding your BIS.

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I’m already 39 and saw very few good drops from SM. I’m not really into dungeon grinding anyway.

Giving out water isn’t a requirement. You should come to dungeons prepared alteady. Ninja looting an item because you felt entitled to water and didn’t get any makes you a clown. Thanks for telling this story that made you look bad.

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Except if you’re a Rogue that is. But I guess Blade Flurry is a big part of that.

They didn’t buff AoE threat of tanks. Tanks just know to spam their aoe threats and nothing else.

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Good thing every class has cleave except druids and they can tank or heal huh?