Im not sure but i cant get valorstones anywhere lol
Then why is half my bis list from mythic raid?
its progression for casual players not heroic - mythic raiders.
To get people artificially sunk costed into the worst offending timegate as progress systems.
Mythic ID lockout has no place other than to make mythic raiding inaccessible while sunk costing people into full season subscriptions.
Ruins raiding progression full stop, but boosters love it due to the inaccessibility and others who have sunk costed into it wanna watch others suffer like they did.
Another standard Blizzard dev play. They make something bad at the start, but then say they listened and roll it back to how it should have been at the end of xpac to bait back players.
This is probably gonna happen, but not because people are mad, but itâs a textbook thing the devs do.
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Mythic id is a terrible system huge agree. If people wanna pug mythic raid let them. If these peopleâs guilds were as great as they say it wouldnt affect them.
I dunno, why is half of mine (including best trinkets) from M+?
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If you ever check all the AOTC guilds that advertise in services chat on MG, you notice theyâre all shell guilds for nova/gallywix/sylvanas boosting communities.
Mythic raiding is only worth it for those who see it as a job with monetary gain. Itâs fundamentally broken to the point itâs only worth it for those with a monetary ulterior motive.
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Maybe because they want us to do different types of content? And give us reasons to do so?
Only difference is i dont resent mythic raid for this while you spend half ur posts on here acting like m+ ran over your dog.
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You probably didnât have half your friends quit the game because Blizzard turned your favorite activity into a second job.
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Iâm excluding the rare items of the cloak and ring due to them existing mostly as things to pursue further when on farm. Since you arenât interested in doing every kind of PvE to get a full list of PvE BiS items, those items are irrelevant to you. Since you arenât looking for a list of BiS items to pursue, but you want âstuff to progress in M+.â
At that point, those items arenât even worthwhile to pursue.
If you cared about the absolutely best possible items to obtain, you would by necessity always have to pursue the option that most reliably drops the mathematically highest stat-value items. Which is going to be Mythic raids, but since you arenât interested in that, and rather just âdah itemsâ ⊠the trinkets are the only thing that matters in addition to crafted gear but crafted gear is the same for everyone.
So⊠overwhelming the majority of good options come from M+, not raids.
Edit: Yeah⊠I messed up and the only thing that should be taken away from my comment here is that BiS items arenât all commonly from Mythic raids. They are from both raids, M+, and even in some cases Delves. The rest of what I said as a response to Rilota should just be ignored though.
Seriously⊠just stop. At this point you are becoming WoWâs version of a flat earther with the stuff you make up.
Cool, then they have no problem removing crest caps and raid lockouts or at very minimum change mythic id lockouts to regular.
And cause mass burnout because players cannot pace themselves?
Sounds like a brilliant ideaâŠ
Ur assuming a lot about me.
I am interested in mythic raid. I mythic raided up to mag in aberrus.
I enjoy both raiding and m+, they are different experiences.
Mythic raid is difficult for reasons beyond gameplay namely finding guilds, id love to mythic raid with my current guild as we have a lot of fun playing together and that is currently our plan for late season. Im very excited to mythic raid again actually.
Also i dont play paladin.
Weird way to say drag out subscription durations out of fear people will feel like they completed their progression and unsubbed.
Although if people are gonna dump WoW after maxing their gear instead of participating in the secondary things like helping new players progress or participate in social aspects not tied to gearing, they are better off not staying subbed. Part of why the WoW community is as toxic as it is.
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It is, because the vault is the only thing in current M+ rewards thatâs rate limited.
To let myth drop from end of dungeon, said end of dungeon gear would need a weekly lockout.
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Said who? A person worried about someone else completing their own progression at the pace they want? Itâs none of your concern.
If youâre that salty about raid lockouts existing then ask for them to be reworked or removed. Asking for meaningful progression in other game modes to be sabotaged out of spite ainât it.
Blizzard tunes raiding around the availability of gear from m+.
We have been, and every time we try, the M+ players come crawling out of the woodwork saying no - as if itâs any of their business.
IRON CURTAIN between raiding and M+ is the only way. M+ gear doesnât work in raids, raid gear doesnât work in M+. And remove Catalyst from the game.
Are you recommending m+ and raids be given the PvP gear ilvl treatment?
Like the one thing I agree with. But because it makes progression feel fake like you waited out your subscription instead of meaningfully earning your gear. It gives off paid to avoid playing vibes.
Many of us have been suggesting this for well over a year now. Where have you been?
I misunderstood what you said in context to the larger conversation. Thatâs my bad. Sorry about that.
Edit: I also corrected my original post. Again, sorry about the mistake - I had completely misunderstood where you were coming from.
The actual demonstration that a lot of items that are BiS or otherwise considered really good arenât from Mythic raids. But the rest of what I said was wrong and I apologize for that though.
Exceedingly few people want to go back to the days of having to carry around several sets of PvE gear. So no, the overwhelming majority of people want the exact opposite of what you are saying âmany of usâ have been suggesting.
PvP and PvE function differently. No, folks do not want to carry around fifty billion pieces of gear just because you dislike M+.
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