Anyone else excited about the Chinese NY Mount?

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Little update! while i was replying to Slipknot here, i was watching this video here on how somebody thinks that TF2 is Pay to Win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i42_ZUQs1f0

So far, 2 minutes into the video, the mate explained the reason why he believes it’s pay to win is because Valve restricted features from free to play players here in order to stop bots, which also has the added downside of F2P players not using the basic features they needed to play the game such as using voice commands like calling for a medic or a spy and even unable to chat via voice or typing on the official servers until they buy something from the store.

In my opinion, this is the same sort of silly decision that Blizzard does with it’s bots and such. And i’m not going to excuse Valve here because they make TF2 and Steam. And i can see where this guy is coming from when he tells us why he feels it’s pay to win now. And this is only 2 minutes into his video.

I also forgot to talk about this one here.

Well TF2 is the exception here, mainly because it’s a free to play game.

While i can understand the confusion here of including TF2 here, it is one of the examples where you can use the microtransactions correctly by putting them in the right place where it belongs. Microtransactions, were seen as a F2P thing, a while back ago before mobile games dominated the world. And to some extent, it’s still seen as it, because people believe that you should either make a free to play game or just sell the $60 dollar game.

The main problem(s) i have with these microtransactions in games, (becides the fact they can go way too far, even in free to play games) is they are in premium priced games.

To quote Dose of Buckley… “It would be the same as criticizing a bag of stinking garbage that is in the middle of the street. Sure it smells, but it doesn’t belong there, it belongs in the dump and nobody will be complaining about it rotting there. That’s where it’s meant to rot.”

By the by, i’m not saying TF2 or any of the F2P games are garbage, i’m using his analogy here because it perfectly illustrates what i’m talking about how MTX doesn’t belong in premium priced games.

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Once we gain the means to enter Video Games, TV Shows, Movies and Books we should bring in as many good Maldraxxi including the redeemed Margrave Sin’dane and force China to accept the Aesthetic of Death!

At the same time we should force them to accept the Aesthetic of Blood by manifesting beings of Blood everywhere!

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I’m not excited at all for this actually.

The store mounts are ridiculous and a horrible idea for MMORPG’s in general.

Add the mounts to the game the correct way and let us unlock them and work for them. We already pay a monthly sub of 16$… why are we paying for anything else that’s within reason?

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I’m curious, why do people say WoW has microtransactions? Yeah, there is a store, but there is nothing that can be bought that makes it ‘Pay to Win’. Micro transactions are generally used in a ‘Pay to Win’ scenario.

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I don’t think that it is possible for a game like wow to be free to play. Unless you’re okay with being limited to 1 character, with an effective max lvl 40, unless you pay for the access, stuff like that.

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Whatever happened to the mount that we were supposed to get that they had everyone vote on which one they were going to make?

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I’m excited and I’m also not. On one hand the zodiax ox will undoubtedly be awesome, it just sounds interesting! And it’s basically free for me as a six month sub.

But on the other I hate when they do store mounts because the forums blindly riot about it every single time for the following week. :sweat_smile: The salt kind of gets in the way of enjoying the shiny new thing. Blah…but the mount should be cool!

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The tree ancient is coming in early 2021 is all they said.

Presumably it’ll be with either patch 9.1 or Blizzcon I’d assume. :slight_smile:

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How about another bat mount, this ones edible.

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Probably going to be smaller than what we expect… and the larger races aren’t going to look like they are riding it, but just about ready to squish it

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i want a rideable choo choo train.

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L4D gets updates in the form of minor bug fixes and some maps that probably one dude can do. It does not get full on xpacs or patches with full voice acting, new models, new skins, etc. etc. etc.

So again, WoW can definitely stay alive without the shop but it’s “relevance” or “PR” would be no different so why wouldn’t it just keep the shop, make $3+ million every couple months from it and show ATVI that they’re still worth the time and investment of any other new AAA game.

Once again, you have said nothing to prove your moral high ground can produce $3+ million every quarter.

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What’s your definition of alive anyways? $3+ million?

If say for example, if we have 2 million subs here (i know you said 3.4 million, but that’s game sales, that number could be inaccurate now if we put it here), and with the price of subs in USD still being $15, Blizzard is still making $30 million dollars from those 2 million subs here, provided if this is the number they have now.
And what is it you say here?..

To break above the 3 million mark, you need more then 200,000 subs here. And i think it’s safe to assume that were well past even 500,000 subs here if were being generous.

Or maybe your talking 1.5 million dollars per month here, which takes 100,000 subs here. Again, i think it’s safe to assume were past that number if this is what they need to break even here and support the game.

Either way, it sounds like WoW is gonna be okay without the microtransactions here. The subs in thousands can easily fill the money and then some more that you assume they need. Plus i’m not even counting game sales here, that can easily bump that number up.

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blizzard activision regardless if you like it or not is beholden to shareholders. shareholders are not in it to “break even”

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Do you hear yourself? You want a company to not make more money just out of principle? A principle you clearly don’t care about that much because you’re still clearly playing despite the existence of the cash shop.

The cash shop has not detoured you from playing. There is no evidence that the cash shop has EVER detoured anyone from playing and yet you think they shouldn’t have it because they can be just fine without it? You want them to give up easy money because of what? Because they’ll be “just fine”?

And then you present games that are just hanging by a thread as a demonstration of what WoW could be. Those games have like… a fraction of their initial player base and sure, it’s nice of the companies to keep the lights on with the occasion bug patch but don’t act like those games are getting any real love or attention.

You’re asking a company to give up money for reasons you don’t even care that much about yourself.

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Do you? You’re not even a businessman, so why are you defending and wanting more microtransactions to begin with? What do you actually gain from doing this? Corporations or Companies arn’t your friend.

Oh look, an a Either/or Fallacy here. :roll_eyes:

“Since you’re are playing the game, you don’t care about your principles”

Activision Blizzard makes more money then god at this point, to a point they can even dodge taxes and get tax returns. If WoW doesn’t have any MTX, they would be literally fine. I mean by your own admission, you make it sound like WoW will be find if it reached over 3 Million dollars. But apparently to you, that’s a bad terrible awful thing.

And clearly, people do care about the games i’ve posted here, you just didn’t click the links to the steam charts, people are still playing these games here. But according to you, these games have a faction of the playerbase so… for them it doesn’t work, but for WoW it’s… totally different because it’s an old game like you said? So is L4D, L4D is an old game. Kind of inconsistent tbh.

This why i bought up the genre in the last comment, which you seemed to ignored.

You do realize the same exact thing can be applied to WoW? Considering there is no subs due to either 2 reasons back in WoD, and the low reviews BFA got… Like, do you even listen to yourself? Your not being consistent when your saying that.

Because you are simply playing favoritism here and downplaying the fact they are clearly being supported by the companies or the fans still. Why aren’t you downplaying WoW here because it has possibly a faction of their initial playerbase?

All of this, just sounds like a “Game Development Is So Expensive Now” defense. Game Development always have been expensive, it’s literally no excuse for them. And there’s games that had tons of money poured into them without microtransactions at all. but apparently you think it’s unrealistic.

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and if it were different someone would be in here tossing a fit about having to work for a mount that someone can just buy with $$$.

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youre bashing corporations/companies trying to make money while youre paying them to play their game?
mmmmm k…

more like
“no one is required to pay for crap in the game store”

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after 2020 I dont even want to think about bats ever again, lol

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I have never said that. I have repeatedly said every pet/mount has made them 3 million dollars.

People still do speed runs of Super Mario Brothers. Doesn’t make them relevant.

Except not. WoW still makes money. WoW still retains 25% of it’s population from the height of it’s popularity. These games are like piddling at a few thousand compared to their huge initial sales (at least some of them… L4D, GTA for example all had huge sales) and any money they bring in is practically insignificant. The updates they receive can be done by a small team on their lunch breaks as they work on other games.

No it can’t because, once again, WoW is making money and it continues to figure out ways to make money by supplementing it’s loss sub income with the cash shop.

So once again, you have not shown why WoW shouldn’t have the cash shop other than you think it’s icky. You haven’t explained why WoW should pass up on an easy guaranteed $3 million every couple months other than you think it’s icky. You haven’t explained how WoW can make up for that loss of a guaranteed $3million every few months without the cash shop through “good PR” of an archaic 15+ year old game.

Your morals, principles, whatever have no value. Enjoy the cash shop, it’s here to stay.