Any veterans find hunters more boring than ever?

Any other hunter veterans feel the class is at its most boring state ever ?

I’ve played since vanilla, lot of peaks and valleys but BFA hunter seems the least fun ever at least for me.

BM is super boring, nothing more grueling than keeping lame barbed going while spamming lousy KC and even worse cobra shot endlessly. The way pets have been redesigned sucks. To have any other abilities to break up the blah gameplay we get via talents chimera which is lame and MOCs which isn’t bad. Stampede has been made into such silly ability, animal companion is half arsed, just not fun.

MM, nice change of pace from BM if you want to have any sort of burst. For me the spec is also insanely boring. You can only enjoy so many blah wet noodle long cast aimed shots. Rapid fire has the most annoying sound and graphic. Sniper shot should be a pve ability also, actually makea the spec kind of fun to play.

SV, some hate some love it. To me it’s ok not great. A spec that asks you to do one thing only spam MB not just because it’s your bread and butter ability, but to spam it until your fingers bleed to build up stack after stack gets boring fast. Feels like ot needs another rotational melee abity to make the spec more enjoyable and less about every single fight building MB stacks. Bomb and SS only go so far to add enjoyment to the spec. With their short cooldowns, it feels like they’ve desinged them just so we have other buttons to press rather than make the rotation fun. Also to me seems like poor design atill having SV using KC, they should just keep thst ability for BM and give SV something else in its place.

This is the first expansion for me personally that hunter is so boring it just kills you soul lol. I’ve gone onto play other classes, I do understand it’s not just hunters which are boring in todays wow. With all the over pruning, POS talents , and boring ABC or some classes only AB rotations, seems like hunters got hit with the boring stick the worse. Abilities don’t look or sound cool, most boring rotations ever, pets suck hard. Just can’t get myself to play the class anymore which is sad, for 14 plus years always being the most fun to play.

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Hunters from Vanilla and Hunters today are two completely different animals. People say MoP is the best time we’ve ever had, I’d say it’s probably Cataclysm honestly.

Most of us who actually spent time playing SV in the Alpha/Beta said all of this. Well a lot of us enjoyed the playing it though. They should have kept MB and FS baseline and kept Lacerate period. Getting rid of WotM and a few abilities like Caltrops and Steel Trap was great, as was Spitting Cobra… But I digress.

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It’s gotten to the point where I don’t ever really get on my hunter much any more aside to kill Sha every week… Which sucks because my hunter was my first character, all the way back from Vanilla. :l It just feel so… so dead.

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Speak for yourself. I actually find BM and MM pretty engaging.

As BM, it is very satisfying to pull off a really good cooldown cycle especially in M+. You really have to think about the CDR of BW and AotW and also your Frenzy stacks. I like their approach to pet utility in this expansion. I feel there is actually meaningful choice in the pet right now and it’s nice to have useful abilities from both the spec and each family. I DON’T like the cooldowns being on the GCD and I want Chimera Shot to be baseline (downtime is high without it) but in general BM is in a MUCH better place than early Legion.

I would rate it above Classic and BC hands down (2 and 1 button rotations respectively, a very easy choice). WotLK is a slightly tougher choice and Cataclysm moreso, but I would still rate it above those expansions on rotation alone (there are other things that bother me, such as the loss of certain baseline abilities outside the rotation). I would rate it as below MoP and WoD and I still think there’s more to be done but I really like BM as it is right now based on the core gameplay.

As for MM: It’s always been a troubled spec. A lot of people think that was ranged Survival that had trouble but really it was MM. It had a pretty decent playstyle in WotLK which got better in Cata and MoP (although it was a very useless spec for much of that time). The WoD changes I mostly didn’t like mainly because the spec lost an avenue of doing quick instant damage on-demand. Your only instant cast was Chimera Shot and that was on CD. However I really liked Sniper Training as a mobility compromise and the 4 set that made Aimed Shot instant really brought the spec together. I HATED MM in Legion because it felt like it was depended on luck, narrow damage windows, and immobility when the class is meant to be all about versatility. It felt like a really poorly planned spec. It was fun to mess around with Sidewinders for a bit but over all it was a negative experience.

MM was in a dreadful spot coming into BFA in both tuning and design, so much so that it broke SV’s streak as the least popular Hunter spec it had maintained for 3 years up until that point (albiet briefly; SV is building up that streak again). But I think they recovered the spec nicely. It has pretty good cooldown management and it feels satisfying to pull off things like sniping enemies with CA-buffed Aimed Shots or double-tapping a Rapid Fire. I really like Rapid Fire in general; it’s new, unique, fun to use, and fits MM really nicely. I have been raiding with the spec for the past few months and I’m happy with it. I’m not sure if it’s better than Cata/MoP/WoD primarily due to the slower GCD and Trueshot being on the GCD, but it’s pretty solid over all. I would STRONGLY disagree with Sniper Shot being PvE.

I do have a couple criticisms of BM/MM. Firstly, I really don’t like a lot of the stuff that has been pruned. I miss the old Stampede. I miss things like Camouflage and Scatter Shot being baseline. Tons of former cool baseline stuff are now talents which is frustrating. Both BM and MM are ridiculously dependent on certain talents to complete their playstyles and those really should be baseline (Chimera Shot, Careful Aim, etc) to the point where there is no talent choice. Secondly, I don’t like how slow it is now. Our GCD was slowed down in Legion, and now our offensive cooldowns are on the GCD. This sucks. In Cata, MoP, and WoD it felt like a much faster and more fluid class.

Then there is SV. I’m not capable of writing an unbiased critique of SV so I won’t try to. I will say that I do think being a pet-reliant melee spec makes it automatically more boring than what it used to be but, like I said, I’m the most biased person you can find on this topic.

A word on visuals; yes, we aren’t going to have amazingly flashy and stunning visuals compared to classes like Mage or Warlock. For the same reason that Rogues also don’t have amazing visuals. We are primarily a physical class. You don’t go to physical classes for incredible visuals. Hunter is the wrong class to consider for that. It’s never had those and it never will (besides the most aesthetically brilliant Hunter ability ever designed: Survival’s Explosive Shot).

TL;DR: I think, with respect to BM and MM, we are in a worse spot than MoP and WoD and perhaps Cata as well in regards to fun playstyles, but I have more fun with the class now than Classic, BC, Legion, and perhaps WotLK.

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Completely agree! I’ve been playing since Vanilla and this is the first expansion I’ve felt completely unsatisfied with Hunters. I’m constantly swapping between specs hoping I’ll start to have fun but it feels so bland and a shell of what it once was. Can’t wait to recreate my Hunter in Classic!

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Nah love where the class is now. SV is amazing and I love Lonewolf MM.
Feels good man.

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Hunters were straight-up terribly designed before WotLK, to be honest. As bad as it is now compared to expansions like MoP at least you don’t have the same 1-2 button rotation for every spec like you did in Classic and BC.

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I personally think Hunters shined the most in WotLK. Maybe because I really started raiding back during that expac seriously or what but I think I had the most fun back in Wrath.

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BFA for hunters feel overall boring ever since they pruned the soul out of it. Idc if we have our moments of doing good damage. It still feels boring in BFA period. MoP and WoD was our time to shine and ever since they destroyed ranged survival after WoD. I will never forgive blizzard

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hunter peaked around cata and mop. legion killed it. BFA didn’t fix it.

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They really hurt hunters by making kiting melee players impossible. Hunters used to be based on kiting other players… now warriors have 4 gap closers to hunters 1 opener, DKs have multiple ways to stay on you, ect… the only class that can be kited is a paladin.

They need to either give hunters a disenguage with a 5 second cooldiwn or more openers as well as the abukity to fight in turtle.

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Been a Hunter Main since classic as well, I will say that though game play is different, I enjoy the class and learn to adapt to its ever evolving changes for the better or worse. For me, I focus on adapting to over come the struggles of getting my fellow faction mates killed in glorious and chaotic fashion…

Also look at it in this fashion, if we Hunters are neglected by Blizz, only true Hunters will continue with the class while those that seek FOTM will go elsewhere to shine. What makes the Hunter class shine is the core group of hunters who remain loyal and exceed even when the boot is on our necks.

Go Forth and Prosper Fellow Hunter and MD to a random healer while barraging hate into a pack of elites mobs…

Huntard Pride, Death to ALL.

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I didn’t play since Vanilla so I don’t think I count as a veteran, but I find simple rotations to be more enjoyable. I can do a simple rotation without thinking too much about it, so I can pay attention to boss mechanics more easily.

Even though the rotation is simple my fingers never stop moving. BM and MM both have pretty high APM at the moment. I’m not sure about Survival but I think it’s also high. So I don’t get what’s so boring about it.

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Bepples making sense. Anyone seen any flying pigs?

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I miss the utility me and my pet brought to raids and dungeons,off tanking,cc,alot of goodies

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I’d prefer to say it is in the most watered down, neutered, mathematically broken, amputated for the sake of contrived weakness, and ineffective state ever.

“Boring” just doesn’t cover it.

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I couldn’t disagree more. For three expansions (WotLK, MoP, and WoD) MM was my most favorite interface with this game of all time. I’d hardly call that “troubled.”

I’d argue it was a TON better in WotLK than Cata. I hated the RNG combo points that was Steady Shot + Aimed Shot. Other than that Cata was pretty good, but that was such a huge issue for me I just really couldn’t stomach it. Other than Legion, Cata was the only other time I unsubbed, in no small part because of the feel of RNG combo points.

As for MoP to WoD, the core of the spec didn’t change at all. It was virtually identical. The only thing that really changed was we got a free major glyph slot because casting Aimed Shot on the move became baseline (WoD) instead of requiring a glyph (MoP). The entirety of the “rotation” remained the same between the two expansions.

I do agree with you about Legion.

You just laid out the one trick pony part of BfA MM, at least in PvP. In every expansion prior to Legion, MM was rich with situational abilities. BfA has lost just so many of them. While the core rotation doesn’t feel bad, it lacks anything interesting. There is nothing situational, there is nothing reactionary; to me it feels boring and static, with almost no choices outside of our cooldowns (Trueshot and Double Tap) on how we do our damage. This was never the case before, now it is.

Imo BfA MM is the worst this class has ever been, even worse than Legion. I say that not because the rotation is worse, it most certainly isn’t; I say it because BfA MM is the most ineffective in PvP that it has ever been, and is the most completely lacking in situational abilities it has ever been. The only props I can give to the current MM spec is that the core rotation doesn’t “feel bad” when engaged in PvE, and that Careful Aim + Double Tap + Aimed Shot + Camo = a lot of front loaded, one trick pony damage in PvP. I’m sorry, but that is no where near enough to even approach being better than any other expansion.

I know we agree on many of the issues, but I obviously care more about the stuff that makes me good in hunting people than you do, and you seem to care more about how a rotation feels. I don’t mean to diminish that aspect of it, but I’d much rather a good toolset and less than smooth rotation than the opposite (that’s only true by degrees of course). Because we used to be so good at actually hunting with so many situational abilities that allowed us to shine in moments of glory, and are now so bad at both of those things, I feel MM hunter is dead.

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BfA BM is slightly more complex than Legion BM and BfA MM is more enjoyable to play than Legion MM. Only thing that got noticeably worse with BfA are the pet changes which now punish me for using the pets I enjoy in competitive content.

That’s more a commentary on how bad Legion was than anything meritorious about BfA. The class is a hollow shell of what it was in MoP/WoD.

It would be a lot easier to enjoy hunter now if I hadn’t played survival for most of MoP/WoD.

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Vanilla is hunters brain dead? So obviously you didn’t play one in Vanilla did you. Because back then double trapping was norm. Well into TBC.

Or speccing into improved frost trap to help kiting raid boss adds.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about dude.

You are just a troll. Go away.

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Sorry, but net even in Legion could you bring any pet you wanted. Most pets in Legion had no abilities. I am also pretty sure that, of the pets that had abilities, there weren’t many that you had to change the spec to make optimal.