It’s also profoundly stupid because the obvious retort is go to vanilla classic.
Just look at my post. We’ve got 90 LIKES from people who WANT the LFD option in Wrath Classic. No other anti LFD post has gotten more likes than this post.
US forum thread
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/looking-for-dung-poll/1223713
EU forum thread
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/poll-lfd-in-wotlk/353670
Strawpoll with the most votes I could find
https://strawpoll.com/polls/jVyGJaER1Z7/results
Some youtuber’s poll (WillE)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1haxYclmhXwa4FKFqYSaRw/community?lb=Ugkx_iEkW00THPdKlhnvEnYO-U9gzYLJNXEI
Some other youtuber’s poll (Solheim Gaming)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaZhtHB-MqwvMS2YhPRujYQ/community?lb=UgkxYzNd-AqGv1vPjUgn2UuoaDBlYBj0TQ51
And here’s the only poll I could find that supports no RDF jk it’s another poll that supports RDF
https://www.reddit.com/poll/u7kqc4I checked on a Thursday at around 2:00pm PST and then again on a Saturday or a Sunday (can’t remember which) at around midnight PST. In both instances, I saw more than 5 times the number of level-appropriate players than level 70 players in multiple dungeons, meaning they couldn’t possibly all be getting a carry, meaning they had to form a group and run the dungeon. When I checked around midnight, I think I only saw 2 groups LFM and I believe they both needed a tank. When I checked during the day, I saw at least 2 groups that needed DPS and all the others needed tanks/healers or were simply “need all”. And yes, I also saw people in level-appropriate questing zones. There weren’t tons of people online, but they were there. So yes, this claim is factually false:
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It’s a solution. 
If Dungeon Finder is the make or break thing for someone rather than the content itself, it seems like the feature is more important to them than the content. Especially if they’re currently playing Classic WoW, which does not have Dungeon Finder. In that case, it makes much more sense for them to play the game where Dungeon Finder is already available rather than to ask for the experience to be tarnished for a lot of people to suit their needs.
A disclaimer
Once again, I’ll say that I wouldn’t complain about it if Dungeon Finder was added with ICC. It happened then, so I couldn’t complain if it happened now. I personally hope it’s never implemented, because I think that would be much better for the game in the long run, but objectively, I wouldn’t say that the experience is inauthentic if it were implemented in late Wrath Classic.
I’m not simplifying the situation at all. I made no claim that Retail doesn’t have other issues (lol), I’m just addressing what’s being said here. People are absolutely bent on having Dungeon Finder and I happen to disagree with them and not want it. A solution where we all get the experience we’re asking for is if people who apparently need Dungeon Finder just play the game that has Dungeon Finder.
See, that’s the funny thing: I don’t need to play Vanilla Classic to get the experience I want. And I wouldn’t quit if they added Dungeon Finder. Because I want to play Wrath, the content. I’d be disappointed if they changed their minds on it, but I’m here to play Wrath, not to play WoW only with no Dungeon Finder.
The retort makes no sense because playing Vanilla Classic isn’t a “solution” to some problem I have. Playing Retail, on the other hand, is a solution to a problem that many people here seem to have.
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I don’t care about LFD but I do find the insane reaction to this pretty entertaining. REEEEEEE
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I hear Dark Souls is a game for people like yourself.
Why use microwaves when you can forage for twigs and rub sticks together to make dinner?
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To bad they couldnt have understood that for tbc even. Jay was right was right when he spoke about remembering spamming looking for tank over and over. Nosht sherlock. What they just cant wrap thier brains around is that we want the GAMEPLAY of the old wow. With lfd. Its not hard to get it. I cant understand how they can be so far out of touch.
What is so hard to understand. Using tbc as an example. If you could go back and play tbc would you? Yes. Why? Because i liked the raids. I liked the zones. I liked the rep grinds. I liked the difficulty of the heroic dungeons. I liked almost everything about it. Anything you didnt like? Yeah, the drums thing from leather working was silly. Ok we can change that. Anything else. Yeah. Dual spec would be great and lfd tool. Blizz - DURRRRR WHAT, ok we will change arena points. Durrrrr. And since you want lfd in tbc, we will be sure to make sure its removed from wotlk. Seriously. Wtf is wrong with thesd people.
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The anecdotal evidence of being able to see the amount of likes on a thread or topic, which is probably at best an echo chamber filled with people of the same mindset, does not give you an accurate description or evidence of the people opposed because theyre in their own channels saying the same thing you are. mostly because they want to read what they want to read and you want to read what you want to read and there is very little crossover.
The only way you could use “theres a million likes on this post and no downvotes” as valid evidence to support your arguments would be to have blizzard hold an official poll for everyone who is going to be playing WotLKC and have them yea or nay on it. Then youd have something worth mentioning as far as evidence goes.
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Very possible. Unfirtunately questing is the faster route to 80. It made sense in tbc. Mostly for min maxing the reputation. It was the fastest way to get to level 70 heroics. Dungeons through honored then questing to revered or close to it. At revered u could buy the key to heroics.
In wotlk, as soon as ppl hit 80 they will be running heroics. So the best route to gear will be questing to 80, then heroics for gear and also to increase rep so you can get the shoulder enchant. And probabky full clearing nax the 1st week. If u lfd, u will be behind.
Removing a major part of the game tends to do that.
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Your ratio is enough proof for me 
The community sentiment is our only possible evidence right now. Like you said, blizzard should do a poll. The forums clearly favor the idea, now let’s prove it. Blizzard send out a 1-2 question poll and settle this.
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Uncle. I give up. I wonder how much time you actually spend playing the game rather than taking forum posts and personally checking each “claim” to make sure it’s absolutely “true”. Then typing all of your “data” in a comprehensive answer. I guess it’s your $15 per month and I can’t dictate how you spend it.
Now, I would appreciate you extending the courtesy and not dictating or removing what’s enjoyable for me and a whole lot of other players which is LFD.
Also, I’m sure any LFG channel varies per server. Did you hang around and question which groups actually formed? How long were they spamming the channel, minutes or hours?
Congrats, you proved one of your points on one server during two small time periods with your little “experiment”.
Sorry but all of your posts just seethe of elitism and entitlement of wanting the game the way YOU want it and everyone else can go kick rocks or quit or go to retail.
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That would proven them wrong, and we all know blizz believe they are never wrong.
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I agree. Pro-LFD bretheren keep saying they are a silent majority (a term that makes me sick lately), and if they really believe this should want to prove it, right? …right?
Right back at ya! Got proof? Or at least a statement from Blizzard that Classic WoW is for those who are ready to spend hours a day in downtime instead of playing the game?
What about those PvP queues? Why was xrealm added earlier than it was origincally.
Why was merc mode added?
What about pvp tier tokens? They can earlier.
OG TBC only had tokens for T4 and T5 released in the last patch, and yet, we got them earlier and we are gettign T6 tokens. What about that?
What about guild banks?
What about us skipping all balance patches and playing the latest patch?
What about PvP queues? PvP has end game competitive scene.
Dungeons DO NOT have end game gameplay, nor a competitive scene. So, PvP queue is ACTUALLY A LOT WORSE than dungeon queue.
Remove PvP queue as it ruins community.
Yeah, that’s pretty much what I think. I just wish blizzard would do a survey on those questions to see how many agree with us.
I play the game plenty (You’ll notice I’m the one posting from a level 70 character 
).
I like discussion. When I’m in the mood for it, I spend a lot of time doing it. It’s not very often that I check the validity of someone’s claims because 1. generally discussion like this is more on the philosophical side and not so much talking about factual data and 2. People generally speak in vague absolutes rather than easily falsifiable things like “Dungeon runs literally never happen”.
I don’t even get why you’re talking about this. xD Do you not do stuff outside of WoW with your free time? When I spend a long time posting on forums, I don’t have any anxious thoughts of “Oh god, I’m wasting my sub time, I need to play the game more rather than the other stuff I enjoy doing”.
I see and understand you, friend. And I, on the other hand, would appreciate you extending the courtesy and not dictating or removing what’s enjoyable for me and a whole lot of other players, which is the relevance of travelling/world scale, the necessity for (even light) communication and cooperation.
I wasn’t really proving a point so much as I was disproving a very radical claim. The claim that, literally, not a single soul on the Westfall server levels through questing or forming dungeon groups.
If you think I’m an elitist, I think you’ve got an inferiority complex. xD I don’t know what about me you think seems elitist.
And I don’t get how you think I’m being entitled – I’ve expressed on many, many occasions here that when it comes to Dungeon Finder, what I want, and what I’d be okay with are different things. I’ve said that I wouldn’t complain if Dungeon Finder was implemented during the ICC phase (though I hope it’s never implemented in any Classic WoW, even if we go to Cataclysm and beyond). I have my wants and I have the things that I don’t want, but would still be okay with. Where’s the entitlement? What does entitlement even mean to you?
Haha. Well, first of all, I think it’s a bit strange to compare my statement to that of the OP considering they said with some unknown authority that it’s “clear that the number of people who want the LFD option VASTLY outnumber the ones who don’t” based on anecdotal experience on the forums. When you make a claim saying “90%+” people have reached a consensus, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to ask for the evidence that shows how they came up with that number. And so far the only evidence has been “use your eyes”. For people who think my view is so distorted, I’m surprised that they won’t just show me what their eyes see rather than them expecting me to see the same thing they do.
Anyway, I’ve got some strong evidence, which some might consider to be proof enough.
- The game exists.
The target audience for a video game is the people who would play that video game. Literally the only time where Classic has ever shortened the gameplay experience, apparently for people who don’t “have the time” has been when the level boost was offered. The level boost doesn’t seem to indicate to me that the WoW team had any actual interest in shortening the game experience as a part of their design philosophy because A: it was probably ordered from high up executives within Activision Blizzard who have an obligation to maximize profits for their shareholders, I highly doubt the dev team itself came up with this idea or wanted it, B: The level boost is limited to one per account and doesn’t affect a player’s overall experience for their whole account across all characters, C: the boost was only intended to catch people up to the “beginning” of the most current Classic expansion, where players will still have to invest tons of time into leveling.
- “You think you do, but you don’t.”
J Allen Brack (who was the president of Blizzard when Classic announced) literally told people years ago that old WoW took a lot of time to play and that was the main reason behind the infamous quote, “You think you do, but you don’t”. That same guy went on to say that he was wrong and “We hear you”, giving the go-ahead and full suppport for Classic. The President of Blizzard himself scoffed at the idea of Classic and the reason he gave for that was that forming groups is time consuming.
J. Allen Brack's response to the question "Have you ever thought about adding servers for previous expansions as they were then?"
"No.
And by the way, you don’t want to do that either. You think you do, but you don’t. Remember when you had to, like, spam cities, and say ‘Need a tank need a tank need a tank’ during the Burning Crusade days? You don’t remember that, because now you just push a button that says ‘go to the dungeon’.
You don’t want to do that."
- “Of course we’re not going to have Dungeon Finder.”
During BlizzCon 2018, Ion Hazzikostas (interestingly enough, talking about Dungeon Finder) nodded to the time investment of forming groups, but that it’s a good thing that encourages more communication and cooperation. This is an explicit example of the director of the game saying it takes a long time to form groups, and that’s a good thing. And he even also said that this game design wouldn’t accomodate people who have little time to play:
(Here's the quote)
"Of course we’re not going to have Dungeon Finder, or Group Finder, in WoW Classic. That really speaks to the core social dynamic. Yes, it was inconvenient to stand in town spamming trade chat looking for a healer for 30 minutes, and yes, that meant if you only had some time before you headed to work in the morning, you couldn’t realistically run a dungeon. And there are definitely advantages to being able to just instantly match-make and teleport to the dungeon. But it also meant that when you found that healer, maybe you’d add them to your friends list. Maybe you’d have someone you could rely on because it was super important to have friends and allies that you could join with to not have to rely on spamming Trade Chat for 40 minutes. Or maybe when someone made a mistake and accidentally aggroed an extra mob and wiped the group, you probably weren’t going to kick them out of the group for that mistake because it would’ve meant going back to town and spamming trade chat for 30 more minutes.
So. No Dungeon Finder."
Thanks for the buzzword diagnosis, Doctor, I guess. I will admit, I did use the word elitist in the wrong way here. I can say that your posts come off as demeaning and dismissive of other people and their opinions (see “inferiority complex”) while aggrandizing your own opinions to the point that you believe are the only opinions that are “true” and “correct”.
In other words, you come off as pompous and a “sore winner” because Blizzard did exactly what you wanted them to do. You, Zipzo, and Shanxi continually make these threads in which the purpose is to inflame, and troll the community into feeling about the situation as you do. So keep on making these threads to stick your tongue out at us like a toddler and shout “neener neener neener, we got exactly what we wanted.” Don’t bother to reply, or do, I don’t care. I’m done with this never-ending argument and “my opinion is the only one that matters because I use big words to demean someone” in a passive-aggressive way.
I will close by saying, I feel that LFD should be implemented in the same patch in which it was originally implemented. By then, the content will be old and stale and people will more that likely be raid logging rather than rolling alts. It really won’t affect me but it will affect a ton of other players that have situations where they don’t have the time or actually want to spend the time unproductively by sitting and spamming for LFG for a long time only to find the group to break up after the first pull, or a tank has to tank for their guild “sorry guys cya”, only to rinse and repeat that method ad nauseam. The first time around that was my situation, so I did use LFD a lot. Yes, I was in a guild. No, I’m not anti-social. It was simply that the majority of players in the guild at that time weren’t in game at the same time I was due to jobs, families, or heck “real-life” in general.
This time around I’m in a much different situation guild-wise. That’s great for me but because I’m an empathetic person, I can see where others in the player base aren’t so lucky but still like to play the game.
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I hope they stick to there guns and don’t put in LFD. Stick to your guns Blizz don’t backtrack.